Anyway, bumping this thread. I want to hear more answers about whether we go to our eternal destination after death, or sleep until resurrection.
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Hair and nails continue to grow, but marketing phonecalls eventually taper off.What exactly happens after we die?
After my MIL passed away my wife kept getting calls from credit card companies about unpaid bills...most wrote things off once they found out she had passed, but one was very insistent...told my wife, "If we don't receive payment this will affect her credit." My wife's response, "My mother is dead! Do you really think she cares about her credit score at this point?"Hair and nails continue to grow, but marketing phonecalls eventually taper off.
What exactly happens after we die?
On one end, people say our souls go to their eternal destination. Heaven or hell.
On the other end, people say that our entirety, our whole being, our "soul" (which is used to refer to the entirety of a person and NOT something separate) goes to sleep in the grave to wake up in the resurrection of the dead, the day when earth will be renewed.
I ask that aside from just picking an answer, you explain why you think so too.
Thank you.
What exactly happens after we die?
On one end, people say our souls go to their eternal destination. Heaven or hell.
On the other end, people say that our entirety, our whole being, our "soul" (which is used to refer to the entirety of a person and NOT something separate) goes to sleep in the grave to wake up in the resurrection of the dead, the day when earth will be renewed.
I have no bias here, I honestly don't care which ending we have because both end with us closing our eyes to this life and seeing our Lord in the next. That said... these verses can mean that when they died they went to their people. But it could also be a little more idiomatic and mean being buried together. I have heard for 51 years people talking about their death saying "I just want to be with _____." The meaning was, "buried together." That is why people buy family plots.... and they have had family plots (or caves or tombs) since we have buried people. Look at Jacob's death in the example you cite... he wants to be "gathered unto my people" and then it says, "bury me with my fathers in the cave." So "the gathering of his people" is tied directly to "bury me with my fathers."Genesis 25:17
"And these are the years of Ishmael...he gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people."
Genesis 49:29
"And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave..."
/death of Jacob
Genesis 49:33
"And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people."
You won't convince me... I can make both cases equally strong and though I side to one view, I am not 100% sold on either. And... because in either case we see the Lord once we close our eyes to this life... then I don't care. People divide over this, denominations started... and it is not important in the scope of our effect on the increasingly dark world around us as witnesses. That said.. for the sake of debate... the "gathered to his people" line is idiomatic and here is some context to consider... but remember, I am sharing this only to consider not cause a fight.Jacob was still in his bed when it was stated that he was gathered to his people. He was not buried for a while, because Joseph had to return to Canaan to bury him. Plus he was embalmed and there was a time of mourning in Egypt.
Start reading the end of Genesis 49 where Jacob died in his bed.
Chapter 50 adds that Joseph fell upon his father's face and wept.
Before the part as to Joseph fell upon his face, we find - was gathered unto his people.
Moses and Aaron died on different mountains. Yet, they seem to have been gathered to different people. They were brothers.
Moses was from Egypt, but died on a mountain in Moab.
I will throw something else in.... the idea of a soul in Hebrew is seen in the Adam creation. God took dirt, formed it into a man, breathed into it... and then he BECAME a living soul. So you have a body and the breath of life and the two become a living soul. That is how it is rendered in the Hebrew... and so if you kill the body or remove the breath of life, you no longer have a living soul.Here's an interesting verse in my Bible for verses as to the soul and death.
Psalms 49:16 as to the rich....then verse 19 -He shall go to the
generation of his fathers; they shall never see light."
If this was just about a body being put in a grave, then why add the
part as to seeing light? It means that they will never be part of the kingdom of God. Their name will not be found written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. They will be in the lake of fire someday- the place of outer darkness.
In hell first, then after the eternal judgment - the lake of fire, which seems to be in the land of Edom -found even still on the new earth.
Greetings brother! I hope you are having a splendid day because I sure am, starting to get hot and sunny down here in England (was starting to think I have evolved into a vampire with how little sun we get). Perhaps a conversation for another time! Well, let us begin.
Q - What happens when we die?
Allow me to share with you a story! A story of the Bible. Where we will be exploring the vastness of the New Testament. In particular, a story about a man called Jesus. Jesus is the son of God and I have to confess...I am pretty infatuated with this guy, there is just something about him, the aura he projects perhaps?*Sorry am I boring you?* Anyway back on track, we will be looking at Mark 5:41-45. Now, a little back story before you read this, that marvel of a man called Jesus healed a girl who had died after there was a slight (and quite understandable) commotion. Starting at verse 41 (NIV)
After he put them all out, he took the child’s father and mother and the disciples who were with him, and went in where the child was. 41 He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!” (which means “Little girl, I say to you, get up!”). 42 Immediately the girl stood up and began to walk around (she was twelve years old). At this they were completely astonished. 43 He gave strict orders not to let anyone know about this, and told them to give her something to eat.
But wait, one second... that does not answer your question. No it does not. Allow us to take a step back for in the verses prior to this, for we will seek our answer there.
He went in and said to them,"Why all this commotion and wailing? The child is not dead but asleep.” 40 But they laughed at him
What will happen when we die, you ask? We lay dormant.
The doctrine of karma is very anti-Christian. In karma, you achieve spiritual perfection by your works. In true Christianity, you achieve spiritual perfection through acceptance of God's grace. Succeed at accepting Jesus (with living a sinless life as a side-effect) and you get to be with Him for eternity.
Also, there is no mathematical formula for good fortune and bad fortune. God either blesses you with a comfortable life or He does not. It's all up to Him. Righteous people get punished and wicked people get blessed. The world, as it is now, is riddled with s***. This is not how it's supposed to be. Life is unfair and you can't escape from it now. Karma, reincarnation, tarot card reading, all of those and other garbage are doctrines of Satan.
Well that certainly answered the question! In God's time those that have died in Christ are as though they are alive because of His promise to resurrect them at Christ's return! They are asleep and not "dead"John 11 "Lazarus sleeps - I go that I may wake HIM".
1 Thess 4
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Proof via inescapable logic - of the future resurrection to a hostile audience -
Matt 22
29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.” 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together.