What else is next? That is why Marijuanna is dangerous :(

[Blackknight]

Just because something is the law does not make it right. I support legalization.

 

[SeraphimSarov]

Just because something is the law does not make it right. I support legalization.

This.

 

[Dorothea]

I personally think cell phones can be addicting. Have you seen some teens? They are surgically attached to their phones, and are texting all the time. I think one can be addicted to anything. Just my opinion on the matter. That does not mean I think cell phones should be banned or illegal.

 

[Protoevangel]

Yes marijuana is the problem itself for it is illegal to use it! It is an illegal drug I already said that it is bad for you like any also legal drug that impaires someone's driving skills.

...Then you go on to admit is is not really marijuana that is the real problem:

Marijuana is an illegal drug and only legal for medicinal use (in some places) it is a tool for these folks who use it responsibly and for medical reasons. For the folks who do not it is illegal drug use

So it is not marijuana itself that is the problem. It is illegal use. Unfortunately, in the US, ALL use is illegal use, which you acknowledged in your own thread, last month:

huh...I did not know that even so the "drug" is legal they still would come after someone... What a royal mess then Proto
I agree that if legalization as medicine is meaningless then I understand your dismay...and yeah I did not have time to read the other thread -told ya ...- Anyhow glad you are taking the time to explain. Thanks I got a chance to talk it over with you and that is great.

It does no good to pretend that the farce that some States have in place really means anything. Every person who uses, sells, transports or grows medical marijuana is a Federal criminal.

Now you are unfairly targeting marijuana itself (perhaps unintentionally), as if "partying and driving" were the same as responsible medicinal use.

If marijuana were really legal for people who suffer from debilitating illnesses, I would not have the same problem with the title of the thread, or your posts. But in the politically-charged environment we find ourselves in, it is disappointing.

 

[Blackknight]

People that drive high should be charged with DUI just like somebody that's drunk. That said, if you want to smoke weed in your own home on your own time I don't really care. It's no different than going home and having a few beers.

 

[Colleen1]

I personally think cell phones can be addicting. Have you seen some teens? They are surgically attached to their phones, and are texting all the time. I think one can be addicted to anything. Just my opinion on the matter. That does not mean I think cell phones should be banned or illegal.

Psychologically addicted ...I can see that. A big distraction any way. Then again that's why some people are addicted...to keep from feeling or thinking about certain things. ugh

 

[Protoevangel]

Yea, let's talk about how addictive marijuana is:

In the book The Chemistry of Mind-Altering Drugs by Daniel M. Perrine, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Chemistry at Loyola College, Baltimore, Maryland, we see the relative addictiveness of common drugs compared:

Relative Addictiveness of Common Drugs
(100=Most Addictive; 0=Least)
Drug....................Rating
Nicotine....................99
Alcohol.....................81
Heroin......................80
Cocaine (Nasal).........71
Caffeine...................70
Marijuana..................22

 

[Monica child of God 1]

Someone using illegally and I emphasize the illegally part of a drug is not a "good parent" period...

So, if it is legal or decriminalized where these parents live, then you could conceive that they could be good parents?

Using a substance that the state declares illegal is NOT a cool parent by any means...

Why?

And the argument there are many irresponsible parents who don't is a non argument!!

Well, I didn't make that argument.

We are talking about plain irresponsibility here...

Oh, I agree and I agreed in my earlier post. She was irresponsible for leaving her kid on the car roof. She was irresponsible for driving while under the influence. But whether or not marijuana should be legal or illegal based on her actions is really the non argument here. You are committing the logical fallicy of generalization. What is true of this woman (who likely has a complex set of personality factors) is not necessarily true of all people who smoke MJ. It would be like me using the people I know as examples and saying that all parents who smoke MJ are great parents. I can't back that up and you can't back up your argument either.

You are giving a bad example to your kids taking an illegal drug and busting the law....

Just to be 100% clear: I do not smoke marijuana. At most I have a hard cider or glass of white wine in the evening before bed or with dinner.

Is that the example EO christians want to give to their kids ? I think not.

Are we talking about EO Christians or personal freedoms in general? If we are talking about EO Christians, then yes while MJ is illegal or criminalized we should probably abstain. If it is decriminalized for medical or recreational use, see your priest about it.

But with regard to personal freedoms in general, I think it is stupid that MJ is illegal in most places in the US. It should be legalized.

The comparison to the beer is a cope out. Just because the state does not make alcohol illegal that does not mean that we need to legalize another drug such as marijuana
I would be on the other end of the argument to make the laws at least stricter about alcohol not more lenient...

I would not support making the law more strict in regard to alcohol. We tried that. Prohibition was a (literal) bloody failure. The war on drugs is a worse and even more bloody failure.

M.

 

[Colleen1]

Someone using illegally and I emphasize the illegally part of a drug is not a "good parent" period... Using a substance that the state declares illegal is NOT a cool parent by any means...And the argument there are many irresponsible parents who don't is a non argument!! We are talking about plain irresponsibility here... we are conserned with the ones who actually are taking a substance that indeed puts their kids in danger. I do not buy the motto...I do not buy the comparison sorry to disagree. You are giving a bad example to your kids taking an illegal drug and busting the law.... Is that the example EO christians want to give to their kids ? I think not. The comparison to the beer is a cope out. Just because the state does not make alcohol illegal that does not mean that we need to legalize another drug such as marijuana
I would be on the other end of the argument to make the laws at least stricter about alcohol not more lenient...

Thank you for your post. I agree for various reasons. Being intoxicated in any way while parenting isn't great. The second hand smoke alone affects one.

 

[Colleen1]

Good unfortunately here and in Europe we are a bit behind i think... Nowadays that the Greek law changed to three times a DUI they take your license Greeks are waking up. As far as driving under the influence with drugs I think we are stricter in Greece for they can just take your license on the spot if they do the appropriate testing that is. I know cases where they did not to give the person a chance but they do put it down as a suspect. IMHO if you put people in danger you should stay home or let another drive... But the reason we have the law is because at theis point there is no "responsibility" to the person as the drug/alcohol makes the decision for them... That is why it is important for the law to be stiff....The rest is just lip service...about drinking responsibly etc. You have a problem with drug/alcohol do not drive and cause danger to others. And yeah the texting and cell phone will come right after this... You are addicted to texting ...lol... or using your phone to chit chat and do not pay attention to the road ...stay home and text to your heart's desire...lol... Sorry for the rant but one of our deacons was involved in an accident that he alomost lost his legs cause the girls in front of him was texting while driving...Three cars and a bus (our deacon was behind it) were severely hit because of her Will say no more...

No apologies necessary. I understand and agree. I know people who have lost loved ones due to this issue. I have my own stories. I've even known kids who have ingested drugs that have been left out etc. There are other dangers in the home as well but it's just another unnecessary risk.

 

[Monica child of God 1]

Thank you for your post. I agree for various reasons. Being intoxicated in any way while parenting isn't great.

So do you think parents should abstain from alcohol altogether while their kids are between 0-18 or 21?

The second hand smoke alone affects one.

Can you not conceive of a scenario in one's home where adults could smoke and the kids not be in the area at all? A deck, a balcony, a patio, a room on the other side of the house? Also, smoking MJ is not like smoking cigarettes. You can take a few pulls and put it out.

M.

 

[Colleen1]

So do you think parents should abstain from alcohol altogether while their kids are between 0-18 or 21?



Can you not conceive of a scenario in one's home where adults could smoke and the kids not be in the area at all? A deck, a balcony, a patio, a room on the other side of the house? Also, smoking MJ is not like smoking cigarettes. You can take a few pulls and put it out.

M.

I'm not allowed to debate but I will explain my perspective. No, I don't think parents should be intoxicated with alcohol or drugs while parenting. I think having one glass of wine on occasion is different than constantly needing to rely on any drug and a drug that puts toxins in the air. Secondly, I have my own apartment but my neighbors smoke and I still have to have 2 air purifiers in my home and even with 2 air purifiers, it's still not enough to clean the air adequately. I'm chronically ill and the affects of smoke affect me more so..so even a whiff of some smoke can instantly feel like someone punched me in the face. I am an ex smoker and have had my experiences with people who use drugs but it's just a fact that my body just can't handle it. Even when the smell is on someone's clothes and they aren't smoking I have to move away from them most times. It's not so easy to keep smoke confined.

 

[Colleen1]

^^^ Having said the above I know of parents who have had sitters come and stay with their kids while out and at home having parties etc and that is good; someone should be sober etc. I've baby sat in these situations myself as well and I've respected the parents for realizing this is a good thing.

 

[Dorothea]

Yea, let's talk about how addictive marijuana is:

In the book The Chemistry of Mind-Altering Drugs by Daniel M. Perrine, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Chemistry at Loyola College, Baltimore, Maryland, we see the relative addictiveness of common drugs compared:

Relative Addictiveness of Common Drugs
(100=Most Addictive; 0=Least)
Drug....................Rating
Nicotine....................99
Alcohol.....................81
Heroin......................80
Cocaine (Nasal).........71
Caffeine...................70
Marijuana..................22

Just to add another perspective and angle to this....Sugar is considered more addictive than heroin or cocaine. I suppose the results or reactions to sugar aren't that bad as the drugs listed above.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Sugar is considered more addictive than heroin or cocaine. I suppose the results or reactions to sugar aren't that bad as the drugs listed above.

I wonder where gambling would fall.....

 

[Dorothea]

I wonder where gambling would fall.....

It would be interesting to know. I think one can be addicted to really just about anything.

 

[Philothei]

Just because something is the law does not make it right. I support legalization.

And it is your right...along with the consenquences of this legalization...

...

Then you go on to admit is is not really marijuana that is the real problem:

it is the addicction to the drug I arlready said that.

So it is not marijuana itself that is the problem. It is illegal use. Unfortunately, in the US, ALL use is illegal use, which you acknowledged in your own thread, last month:

Sure it is illegal use. It is not allowed by law period!

It does no good to pretend that the farce that some States have in place really means anything. Every person who uses, sells, transports or grows medical marijuana is a Federal criminal.

How so? I know people who take it for med..and they run away with it... Not that is bad but they are not federal criminals....That is another story though for another thread.

Now you are unfairly targeting marijuana itself (perhaps unintentionally), as if "partying and driving" were the same as responsible medicinal use.

If marijuana were really legal for people who suffer from debilitating illnesses, I would not have the same problem with the title of the thread, or your posts. But in the politically-charged environment we find ourselves in, it is disappointing.

I do not get what you say here I have voiced my opinion already in that topic...case is closed.

People that drive high should be charged with DUI just like somebody that's drunk. That said, if you want to smoke weed in your own home on your own time I don't really care. It's no different than going home and having a few beers.

To you maybe but not the legal system. Taking illegal drugs at home is a federal offense and you are breaking the law...That is not the topic please do not post off topic

So, if it is legal or decriminalized where these parents live, then you could conceive that they could be good parents?

If it is legalized yes...if it is not it is a federal offense and against the law.

Why?

because they disobey the law...

Oh, I agree and I agreed in my earlier post. She was irresponsible for leaving her kid on the car roof. She was irresponsible for driving while under the influence. But whether or not marijuana should be legal or illegal based on her actions is really the non argument here. You are committing the logical fallicy of generalization. What is true of this woman (who likely has a complex set of personality factors) is not necessarily true of all people who smoke MJ. It would be like me using the people I know as examples and saying that all parents who smoke MJ are great parents. I can't back that up and you can't back up your argument either.

I am not commiting a logical falacy I am looking at the facts as per the lady that was killed last year due to the Mariajuanna usage illegally just the same The facts speak for themselves NOT me making a fallacy..

.Naw...all parents who do illegal stuff are NOT good parents period. All parents who follow the law do "something right" among many I am sure they do also WRONG. That is not what I said...I think twisting the things around and it just does not work...

Just to be 100% clear: I do not smoke marijuana. At most I have a hard cider or glass of white wine in the evening before bed or with dinner.

It was a figurative you...not you sorry I was not clear.

Are we talking about EO Christians or personal freedoms in general? If we are talking about EO Christians, then yes while MJ is illegal or criminalized we should probably abstain. If it is decriminalized for medical or recreational use, see your priest about it.

EO christians have freedoms just like anyone...I would not need to see my priest about since any recreational drug is not what we should engaging in or teaching our kids to do

But with regard to personal freedoms in general, I think it is stupid that MJ is illegal in most places in the US. It should be legalized.

Your opinion and not the topic here... It is about the incident of that woman acting under the influence

I would not support making the law more strict in regard to alcohol. We tried that. Prohibition was a (literal) bloody failure. The war on drugs is a worse and even more bloody failure.

I think I agree that prohibition is a failure... But looking at countries that there are no prohibition I do not see any difference

Thank you for your post. I agree for various reasons. Being intoxicated in any way while parenting isn't great. The second hand smoke alone affects one.

Yep that was my point.

 

[Philothei]

Just to add another perspective and angle to this....Sugar is considered more addictive than heroin or cocaine. I suppose the results or reactions to sugar aren't that bad as the drugs listed above.

Sugar is not going to kill you like cocaine... At least if you use it in moderation and not for a long time...It is not lethal for a short time cocaine is!!

 

[Colleen1]

Yep that was my point.

Thanks for the hug. Very sweet.

 

[Dorothea]

Sugar is not going to kill you like cocaine... At least if you use it in moderation and not for a long time...It is not lethal for a short time cocaine is!!

There was a book out on sugar being more addictive than heroin when I had been diagnosed with borderline hypoglycemia years back. I ended up with that from, yes, overdosing basically, on sugar. I was hunting around the house for anything chocolate and sugary. It was pitiful. My body so starved and craved it, and there was so much sugar in my blood stream when I got a blood test done, that it was causing some blockage of the blood to my brain.

Sugar can be deadly for diabetics and such. But I understand what you're saying. I do the sugar in moderation thing (have for years now, and still can't eat certain sugary things), and that works ok.