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Of course, it means end συντελεια of this age; lifetime αιωνι; αιωνος; Matt 13:39-40; Matthew 13:49; Matthew 24:3You did. And, I pointed out that Jesus is a person and eternal life is a thing. Jesus Himself spoke of the end of the aion. If Jesus indicated that the aion would end, will it end?
just defining a root word or meaning from words does not always give the meaning.Of course, it means end συντελεια of this age; lifetime αιωνι; αιωνος; Matt 13:39-40; Matthew 13:49; Matthew 24:3
just defining a root word or meaning from words does not always give the meaning.
Scripture defines who eternal life is in relation to believers having eternal life IN them. This eternal life IN them is Jesus Christ In them.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life, in Him is life and the life is the light of men.
no , you are mistaken, when talking about eternal life and jesus Christ.He is the life, he is eternal life as many scriptures show. Go back and read my text from before too much to post again.
A person who abide in Him has Jesus Christ (eternal life) abiding in him. But if he abides not in eternal life ( jesus Christ) then he does not have eternal life in him. I know this understanding confounds your teaching and others who try to teach universalism. But thats good, scripture exposed heresies if we walk in the light.
"15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."(1 John 3:15)
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us"(1 John 1"1-2 KJV)
1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."
1 John 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
etc etc etc
You are far from the truth hereTwo questions. Do Christians die? Do Christians now have access to the Tree of Life.
John 11:26John is speaking of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit through which God will raise the dead. Christians will get eternal life at the resurrection. To live forever one needs access to the Tree of Life. If Christians had it now they wouldn't die, however, they do.
And....?just defining a root word or meaning from words does not always give the meaning.
Scripture defines who eternal life is in relation to believers having eternal life IN them. This eternal life IN them is Jesus Christ In them.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life, in Him is life and the life is the light of men.
John 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."( "Hath" present tense. So they have life at the time jesus poke that)
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."(Present tense, "hath" and "is")
John 15:5
"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and Iin him, the samebringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye cando nothing."
1 John 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
I posted scriptures that prove that Jesus Christ Himself, is eternal life. And he is not an age, or temporary. I believe i said this a few timesPosting passages of Scripture without commentary is of no avail. It's obvious that I understand this differently than you do. However, so far all you've done is post passages of Scripture that you believe support your point. You've not addressed those that create problems for you view.
I posted scriptures that prove that Jesus Christ Himself, is eternal life. And he is not an age, or temporary. I believe i said this a few times
you are totally wrong and easily proven wrong, consider the verses againActually, the passage don't say that Jesus Christ is eternal life. I'm sure you realize that the Bible doesn't speak. Therefore one must interpret what they read. In language there are both literal and figurative uses of words and phrases. If one understands literally something a writer mean figuratively, they are misunderstanding what was written. I've already pointed out that John was referring to the Spirit when he said that eternal life abides in them. And, once again, you've not addressed the passages that are contrary to what you say.
Actually, the passage don't say that Jesus Christ is eternal life. I'm sure you realize that the Bible doesn't speak. Therefore one must interpret what they read. In language there are both literal and figurative uses of words and phrases. If one understands literally something a writer mean figuratively, they are misunderstanding what was written. I've already pointed out that John was referring to the Spirit when he said that eternal life abides in them. And, once again, you've not addressed the passages that are contrary to what you say.
you are totally wrong and easily proven wrong, consider the verses again
"15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."(1 John 3:15)
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us"(1 John 1"1-2 KJV)
1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."
1 John 5:12
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not theSon of God hath not life."
The life is in His Son and when we are IN Him we are in the life , eternal lifeWhich passage says Jesus is eternal life? Actually, refuted your own argument. How can eternal life be in Jesus it is Jesus?
The life is in His Son and when we are IN Him we are in the life , eternal life
read all the verses especially the ones that correct your view
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us"(1 John 1"1-2 KJV)
Jesus Christ is the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9. I am speaking of the Spirit of the Son , Jesus Christ and the Spirit of the Father. God is a spirit.You still haven't shown me which passage says Jesus is eternal life. Rather, you've given me an inference that you've drawn from the passage. Are you literally inside of Jesus? John said, the word became flesh. Jesus became a man. How exactly are you inside of His body? Did you read what I said about a literal and figurative use of language? I think any reasonable person is going to understand that John meant being in Christ in a figurative sense and not literally inside the body of the man Jesus Christ. But even still, as I said, you've refuted your own argument. If eternal life is in Jesus then it can't be Jesus.
Jesus Christ is the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9. I am speaking of the Spirit of the Son , Jesus Christ and the Spirit of the Father. God is a spirit.
and Paul said
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
Jesus Christ has always existed He is the Son of God from eternity
we also read of
Galatians 4:6
"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
John 15:1-7 KJV)
"Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit...4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, .."
we also read of the Father in believers as well as the Son
John 14:23
"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
Matthew 10:20
"For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."
2 John 1:9
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son."
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us"(1 John 1"1-2 KJV)
The Word was God and the Word was made flesh, and we are born again by the word of God, the seed sown in the heart. This seed, word, Light, truth, is Jesus Christ in us
wrong, Jesus is the life the truth, the way, eternal life, the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world.You're all over the place. First you're post that one is in Jesus and then that Jesus is in them. These don't address what you said, which was that Jesus is eternal life. The word. aionios, is an adjective not a noun therefore it's not a person, it's a description.
No, I'm just rightly dividing the word of truth. All these points connect and are saying what I am saying as well.You're all over the place
No, I'm just rightly dividing the word of truth. All these points connect and are saying what I am saying as well.
so universalism is proven false and all who deny that Jesus Christ is in them are proven false as well and reprobate as Paul said in 2 Cor 13:5
take heed
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