What do you think the Mark of the Beast is?? And what is sin about it?

[Cis.jd]

In Ephesians 2, it is written that all people are "under the influence of the evil " one, (not stuff, the evil one), the prince of the power of the air.
Only when redeemed,
only the elect, escape, as only because God saved for Himself a remnant is anyone still alive.
Most willingly remain on the wide road to destruction, in religion and out of religion doesn't matter.

While you are right. The "influence" I am talking about is the garbage being taught to our generation by modern day pop culture. Maybe the whole "Illuminati" symbolism in entertainment is a good example.

To be honest. I am not sure if "evil" is a culprit or just a massive downfall in human intelligence that is the problem of this world. It's like people care about their feelings and their views which IMO is all influence from the nonsense of modern day liberalism. If anything brings the end of the world it is this current generation and the current youth being so spoiled and unintelligent.

It's hard to determine or side with any religious points of views because so many churches of various denominations are corrupt to the core.

 

[Tone]

Hi all,

I believe the mem in final form is 600. I broke this down recently with 66 (so 666) and it came out to Hebrew words with mem, samek (MS) and every word in the concordance was negative. One was even a forced tax and forced servitude and to number, etc...which i believe to be very fitting for a synthetic number, i.e., a man-made 600, which is not the natural alephbet, but some tradition.

Check this out: Strong's Hebrew: 4522. מַס (mas or mis) -- body of forced laborers, forced service, taskworkers, taskwork, serfdom

So isn't it fitting that a false Christ would corrupt the alephbet to make his own number 666. And, in his manmade alephbet, his number is the Hebrew word "mas" or "mis". This is the closest I got, since I couldn't find a mem-samek-vav word...maybe someone can help with that. Anyways, mem-samek would be the heart ( I forget the technical term) of the word.

Here's some more info. on it, taken from Mem - Wikipedia

"In gematria, Mem represents the number 40 in both the Standard and Mispar Gadol Methods of Gematria; However, (mem sofit) final mem's value is 40 in the Standard Method and 600 in the Mispar Gadol method. The Standard Method adds the values of Tav and Resh(400+200) to denote the value of mem sofit."

And this from Hebrew Alphabet - Mispar Gadol Values Flashcards | Quizlet:

"Learn the numerical values of Hebrew Letters. This system uses the Mispar Gadol system of calculation. These are the same values as given in Aleister Crowley's Liber 777..."

Look at this from Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia:

"Jason Josephson-Storm has argued that Crowley built on 19th-century attempts to link early Christianity to Paganism, such as Frazer's Golden Bough, to synthesize Christian theology and Neopaganism while remaining critical of institutional and traditional Christianity.[254]
Both during his life and after it, Crowley has been widely described as a Satanist, usually by detractors. Crowley stated he did not consider himself a Satanist, nor did he worship Satan, as he did not accept the Christian world view in which Satan was believed to exist.[255] He nevertheless used Satanic imagery, for instance by describing himself as "the Beast 666" and referring to the harlot of Babylon in his work..."

So, it's definitely something that is being pushed from occultic forces.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's hard to determine or side with any religious points of views because so many churches of various denominations are corrupt to the core.

So follow Jesus.
He is the LIGHT. (not the world nor religion, since the world rejected the LIGHT when He came into the world)
Call on Jesus, since if He doesn't help, no one can.

 

[BobRyan]

I further elaborated on this at Observations About The Mark Of The Beast... | Christian Forums

Interesting page.

the "number of his name" - in the Empire of Rome (at the time John was writing ) used Roman numerals for numbers and they are also letters used in names so they had a practice of "adding" the number valued letters in a name to get "the number of the name". And would have been something John's readers could relate to..

Since both versions (of the Bible) have his complete name as an alternative, his identity will be, literally, spelled out...! The "number of his name" option will only serve as a means of confirmation (to us). (In programming, that is known as a checksum.)

Unless the "number" precedes his spelt-out name, the latter should be evidence enough, by itself.

BTW, 666 in Roman numerals is DCLXVI.

Various suggestions have been made for "The number of his name". A few of those suggestions appear here VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast


One of the ones I am familiar with ...

VICARIUS FILII DEI
THE LITERAL MEANING: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of
FILII - means son
DEI - means GOD

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = no value
R = no value
I = 1
U/V = 5
S = no value
--------
112


F = no value
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1
--------
53



D = 500
E = no value
I = 1
-------
501


112 + 53 + 501 = 666

a simple illustration of how they would add up the numbers in a name

By itself it does not prove anything except to show an example of how "The number of the name" could be added up to get to a total number.

 

[BobRyan]

While you are right. The "influence" I am talking about is the garbage being taught to our generation by modern day pop culture. Maybe the whole "Illuminati" symbolism in entertainment is a good example.

To be honest. I am not sure if "evil" is a culprit or just a massive downfall in human intelligence that is the problem of this world. It's like people care about their feelings and their views which IMO is all influence from the nonsense of modern day liberalism. If anything brings the end of the world it is this current generation and the current youth being so spoiled and unintelligent.

It's hard to determine or side with any religious points of views because so many churches of various denominations are corrupt to the core.

The Jewish nation church of Christ's day " was corrupt enough" to get Christ put on trial and have him executed. So you "Could" claim that the church was "corrupt". Certainly Christ knew they would have Him killed.

But notice what Christ said about the Jews in John 4 when the Samaritan woman pointed to differences between the Samaritan religion and the Jewish religion.

"you worship what you do not know. We (Jews) worship what we know for salvation is of the Jews" John 4.

Taht is a pretty strong statement from the Messiah who knew the Jews would have Him executed.

 

[BobRyan]

Well if that's the answer, just live off the grid and just wait to get caught, no worries then.

God gave the preflood world "information" so those that cared to - could avoid getting crushed.
John the baptizer gave the Jews "information" so those that cared to - could avoid getting crushed.
Christ says He is the one speaking in Rev 1 - and He gives the world "information" for the end of time so that those that cared to - could avoid getting crushed.

It was known as a libellus and was a certificate of sorts attesting that a person had sacrificed to the gods of ancient Rome and to the emperor. You can see one here:

Decian persecution - Wikipedia

So then a "certificate" of sorts that indicated someone had participated in a worship practice that God condemns and that is required by the state?

So in that case it is the REASON that the indicator/sign/mark is given that is the problem.

 

[gideon123]

yes .. it is the REASON that the mark is given that is the problem.

because, as explained in Revelations, all must serve the Beast and the AntiChrist. All must bow to Babylon. So how do they know that all are bowing? By implanting something that tracks every person, and monitors everywhere they go.

So, for example, you want to worship at a secret church - a home church. But you can't, because they will track you, figure out where the home church is, and arrest everybody. And it doesnt matter if you go ' off the grid', because they will track you there too. Now you see the problem.

But what does Jesus Christ say?

GO and make disciples.
You cannot be 'of the World' and serve Christ.
Everyone must decide.

Blessings!

 

[Sabertooth]

VICARIUS FILII DEI

If Vic were the guy, you would have a certain number of people stamped, instead, with the complete

VICARIUS
FILII
DEI
​

At that point, it would be a no-brainer...

Besides, just because the "number of his name" adds up to 666, it doesn't explain how the number-based mark will be distinct from the logo-based mark or his name spelt out.

 

[BobRyan]

I further elaborated on this at Observations About The Mark Of The Beast... | Christian Forums

Interesting page.

the "number of his name" - in the Empire of Rome (at the time John was writing ) used Roman numerals for numbers and they are also letters used in names so they had a practice of "adding" the number valued letters in a name to get "the number of the name". And would have been something John's readers could relate to..

Since both versions (of the Bible) have his complete name as an alternative, his identity will be, literally, spelled out...! The "number of his name" option will only serve as a means of confirmation (to us). (In programming, that is known as a checksum.)

Unless the "number" precedes his spelt-out name, the latter should be evidence enough, by itself.

BTW, 666 in Roman numerals is DCLXVI.

Various suggestions have been made for "The number of his name". A few of those suggestions appear here VICARIUS FILII DEI 666, The Number of the Beast


One of the ones I am familiar with ...

VICARIUS FILII DEI
THE LITERAL MEANING: VICARIUS - substituting for, or in place of
FILII - means son
DEI - means GOD

V = 5
I = 1
C = 100
A = no value
R = no value
I = 1
U/V = 5
S = no value
--------
112


F = no value
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1
--------
53



D = 500
E = no value
I = 1
-------
501


112 + 53 + 501 = 666

a simple illustration of how they would add up the numbers in a name

By itself it does not prove anything except to show an example of how "The number of the name" could be added up to get to a total number.

If Vic were the guy, you would have a certain number of people stamped, instead, with the complete

VICARIUS
FILII
DEI
​

At that point, it would be a no-brainer...

Besides, just because the "number of his name" adds up to 666, it doesn't explain how the number-based mark will be distinct from the logo-based mark or his name spelt out.

It says --
16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

they have a mark.
The mark - OR the name, OR the number

It is not the name that is on the forehead - it is the mark. You are saying that the folks having the problem in that case - would have the VIC name on their forehead. But that is not what it says.

(And I am not convinced that having it on their forehead is not itself somewhat symbolic -- is the grocer really going to check someone's forehead to see if they can buy groceries?)

 

[BobRyan]

yes .. it is the REASON that the mark is given that is the problem.

because, as explained in Revelations, all must serve the Beast and the AntiChrist.

That is a good point. The "mechanism" the "technology" the "system of accounting and monitoring" is not the sin - rather some sin must be agreed to in order to get the mark which results in bank-account-approval to buy or sell.

All must bow to Babylon. So how do they know that all are bowing?

Good question. The most obvious way is to notice that some act you are doing in worship (bowing, worshiping ) is in fact a violation of the Law of God.

And whatever that is - if it gets you a freed-up-bank-account so you can buy or sell - well it is probably a problem.

 

[Sabertooth]

The mark - OR the name, OR the number

Agreed, but the number-based mark will be visually distinct from the logo or full name versions. And none of the calculation schemes give us an idea what to expect for THAT version. Initials came close, but was flawed.

Restated, the question isn't "What is the number of his name?"
But rather "What will the 'number of his name' mark look like?"

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
The mark - OR the name, OR the number

Agreed, but the number-based mark will be visually distinct from the logo or full name versions.

The mark OR the name OR the number not: Number-based-Mark or Name-based-Mark

Mark: X
Name: Phil
Number: 666

 

[Sabertooth]

It is not the name that is on the forehead - it is the mark. You are saying that the folks having the problem in that case - would have the VIC name on their forehead. But that is not what it says.

they have a mark.
The mark - OR the name, OR the number

The mark, ex. a logo or royal seal;
The name, ex. Vicarius Filii Dei;
The number, [unknown symbol] meaning 666.

The Beast's identity will be clear with the second group.
Group three would only serve as a means of confirmation among Believers.

 

[Sabertooth]

Number: 666

Not true. Only discerning Christians will recognize its numerality [Revelation 13:18]. Unbelievers will not recognize it as such.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I actually think Walid Shoebat has given the best answer that I've heard. His position has come under extreme attack not just by opposing Christian views but it looks like Google has tried to bury some of his work by their algorithms. But check out

In general I have seen the Mark of the Beast as being "Conformed to the image of the beast" in word and deed. It is symbolized in those OT verses that inspired the use of phylacteries (binding God's word to your hand and feet). And this is buying into a system that is overtly against Christ. (Islam, Communism, the Nazi movement, extreme Capitalistic hedonism etc.)

 

[Sabertooth]

This would be a plausible "number of his name" style of mark (though probably too obvious).

 

[Tetra]

God gave the preflood world "information" so those that cared to - could avoid getting crushed.
John the baptizer gave the Jews "information" so those that cared to - could avoid getting crushed.
Christ says He is the one speaking in Rev 1 - and He gives the world "information" for the end of time so that those that cared to - could avoid getting crushed.



So then a "certificate" of sorts that indicated someone had participated in a worship practice that God condemns and that is required by the state?

So in that case it is the REASON that the indicator/sign/mark is given that is the problem.

@yeshuaslavejeff seems to think no matter what you do everyone is just gonna get shot anyways. Lol

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

@yeshuaslavejeff seems to think no matter what you do everyone is just gonna get shot anyways. Lol

Whenever Jesus calls a man,
He calls him to die.

Recent and old proverb. A true one.

 

[BobRyan]

What is the Mark of the Beast?
Please quote chapter and verse in the answer.
.

mmksparbud said: ↑
Do either of you know what the mark of the beast is?

bbbbbbb said: ↑
Of course we do, but we know that you do not.

By all means---enlighten us.

<no answer so far>

The mark of the beast will be an end-times identification required by the Antichrist in order to buy or sell, and it will be given only to those who worship the Antichrist.

I do not mean to be sarcastic in my response but all of this IS found in the Bible.

Why do you think it is a sin according to Rev 13 and 14 to be "identified" or to have buying/selling under some sort of control/monitor? (Hint it is not a sin to monitor, to have a credit card, SSN etc)

Nor does the bible say it is a sin for someone to know you are a Christian

I did not say that it was a sin. At least I do not think I did. But the more I think about it, YES it is a sin AT THAT TIME.

Not sure if we agree on that or not -- on the surface it looks like we agree.

AT THAT TIME it will be an identification NUMBER of some kind that only the people who reject Christ will take. SINCE that have chosen the A/C over the Lord Jesus Christ then it will be SIN for them by their choice.

But nobody will be going around saying "I have the mark of the beast to give out -- do you want it?" nor will anyone being say "I am the antichrist - please choose me over Christ" --- perhaps we both agree on that as well.

Now you may be able to ignore what Scripture says but I can not and the Scriptures actualy say,...………..Rev. 13:16-19.....
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

BIBLE DETAILS MATTER my friend!!!

So far you have said nothing to oppose anything posted on this thread by me..

Do you wish to make some statement??

Details -- do you have details?

 

[BobRyan]

@yeshuaslavejeff seems to think no matter what you do everyone is just gonna get shot anyways. Lol

Certainly saints have been persecuted are being persecuted and will be persecuted - but I don't see anywhere where all saints are slain in the future.