What do you see masturbating as? Sin? Sorry about all the topics you must have!

[Jedi]

It is so amazing and sad that the Word of God just makes absolutely no impact on you (include the others in this.)

This just isn’t true. The issue isn’t impact but how the verses you’ve pulled out just don’t apply to our conversation. If they do, please show how. Show how thinking sexual thoughts and/or masturbation inherently falls under the umbrella of “the flesh.” Until you can do so, you just don’t have a case.

You have been told ad infinitum what God thinks, yet you refuse to accept the truth.

By who? You? I’m sorry, but you are not God, nor do you speak for God. There are problems with what you’re preaching (namely, holding to an ideal that would doom all of humanity) and absolutely no biblical support for your condemnations, whether explicitly or by principle.

The voice of the flesh and of Satan is much louder than the voice of the Holy Spirit. Unless you have a trained ear to hear God, or a desire to even hear Him, you will be deaf to Him.

Oh, yes, the “you don’t agree with me, so you’re listening to Satan instead of the soft whisper of God’s voice” routine. It’s cheap, cheesy, and doesn’t work.

At least, my conscience is clear--you cannot stand before the Holy God and say you never knew about the sinful, perverse nature of your behaviour. You will not have a leg to stand on before the righteous Judge.

First, just because I defend something does not mean I do it myself. That’s a blind assumption on your part. Second, sure I do. I have reason. Why would God condemn people for doing what He never told them to refrain from? Nowhere does scripture condemn thinking sexual thoughts or even mention masturbation, whether explicitly or by principle. You’re talking about a judge condemning someone for breaking a law that was never given.

Why don't you provide some passages that prove your stance? You cannot.

We don’t need to, as any action is morally innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If you want to condemn something, you must provide evidence that it’s either (a) decreed by God to be inherently against His will or (b) inherently has negative consequences that outweigh any possible good consequences that may result. To date, you have done neither.

As man and woman were made to provide sexual satisfaction form one another---made for it--then any other act outside of marriage is FORNICATION! ADULTERY!

I’m sorry, but this is not true. Masturbation is typically a solitary act – that’s why it’s masturbation. There is no one else involved. If no one else is involved, it is not fornication or adultery (which, by definition, involves another party).

Further still, no one here is suggesting anything contrary to your claim that men and women were meant for each other sexually. This does not, however, exclude alternative uses for that sexuality for as long as it doesn’t hinder its purpose. Perhaps an example might help. Books are meant to be read; that’s their purpose. However, does a man do wrong if he uses a book as a paperweight for a few minutes? Of course not. He has done no crime against the purpose of the book – he has merely added functionality to it that does not hinder its intended purpose.

The same principle holds true for human sexuality. In fact, it could be said that masturbation enhances the purpose of our sexuality by increasing our sex drives and getting people more excited about sexual intimacy within marriage. It also allows people to explore and find out what they like and dislike, helping to further spice up the marriage bed.

 

[Floatingaxe]

This just isn’t true. The issue isn’t impact but how the verses you’ve pulled out just don’t apply to our conversation. If they do, please show how. Show how thinking sexual thoughts and/or masturbation inherently falls under the umbrella of “the flesh.” Until you can do so, you just don’t have a case.

You are wrong!

By who? You? I’m sorry, but you are not God, nor do you speak for God. There are problems with what you’re preaching (namely, holding to an ideal that would doom all of humanity) and absolutely no biblical support for your condemnations, whether explicitly or by principle.

You are wrong!

Oh, yes, the “you don’t agree with me, so you’re listening to Satan instead of the soft whisper of God’s voice” routine. It’s cheap, cheesy, and doesn’t work.

You are wrong about that, too!

First, just because I defend something does not mean I do it myself. That’s a blind assumption on your part. Second, sure I do. I have reason. Why would God condemn people for doing what He never told them to refrain from? Nowhere does scripture condemn thinking sexual thoughts or even mention masturbation, whether explicitly or by principle. You’re talking about a judge condemning someone for breaking a law that was never given.

You are wrong here in your thinking as well. Show us scripture to prove your point.

We don’t need to, as any action is morally innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. If you want to condemn something, you must provide evidence that it’s either (a) decreed by God to be inherently against His will or (b) inherently has negative consequences that outweigh any possible good consequences that may result. To date, you have done neither.

You are wrong!

I’m sorry, but this is not true. Masturbation is typically a solitary act – that’s why it’s masturbation. There is no one else involved. If no one else is involved, it is not fornication or adultery (which, by definition, involves another party).

Wrong again!

Further still, no one here is suggesting anything contrary to your claim that men and women were meant for each other sexually. This does not, however, exclude alternative uses for that sexuality for as long as it doesn’t hinder its purpose. Perhaps an example might help. Books are meant to be read; that’s their purpose. However, does a man do wrong if you uses a book as a paperweight for a few minutes? Of course not. He has done no crime against the purpose of the book – he has merely added another purpose to it that does not hinder its intended purpose.

The same principle holds true for human sexuality. In fact, it could be said that masturbation enhances the purpose of our sexuality by increasing our sex drives and getting people more excited about sexual intimacy within marriage. It also allows people to explore and find out what they like and dislike, helping to further spice up the marriage bed.

You are wrong all round! Let's see the scripture backing!

 

[sentipente]

Floatingaxe, you have not shown the scripture you were asked for so where to you get the gall to ask others for scriptural support? Wake up.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Floatingaxe, you have not shown the scripture you were asked for so where to you get the gall to ask others for scriptural support? Wake up.

I often, often use scripture, more than some posters here! I also have the right to ask for it here! Cut the insults and let's see it. Mind your manners.

 

[Jedi]

Haha, you must be joking. I explain how you have come up short as a prosecutor of masturbation and thinking sexual thoughts, that your case wouldn't hold up in court, because any act is morally innocent until proven guilty, and all you can say in return is "you are wrong." Interesting.

You have not shown any scripture that condemns masturbation or sexual thoughts. You have only shown where scripture condemns "lust" and things "of the flesh," but have failed to link masturbation and sexual thoughts to those terms.

You can say "you are wrong" until you're blue in the face but it's going to get you nowhere very quickly and your credibility as an intellectual authority on the matter will degenerate just as fast.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Haha, you must be joking. I explain how you have come up short as a prosecutor of masturbation and thinking sexual thoughts, that your case wouldn't hold up in court, because any act is morally innocent until proven guilty, and all you can say in return is "you are wrong." Interesting.

You have not shown any scripture that condemns masturbation or sexual thoughts. You have only shown where scripture condemns "lust" and things "of the flesh," but have failed to link masturbation and sexual thoughts to those terms.

You can say "you are wrong" until you're blue in the face but it's going to get you nowhere very quickly and your credibility as an intellectual authority on the matter will degernate just as fast.

You mean, "degenerate"? LOL

 

[Jedi]

You mean, "degenerate"? LOL

So this is what it's come to with you, huh?

My apologies, but when you type 100+ words per minute like I do, typos are bound to happen.

 

[Dannager]

You are wrong!
You are wrong!
You are wrong about that, too!
You are wrong here in your thinking as well. Show us scripture to prove your point.
You are wrong!
Wrong again!
You are wrong all round! Let's see the scripture backing!

When you squeeze all of it together like that it really gives you an idea of the level of thought and effort Floatingaxe puts into engaging debate.

 

[sentipente]

I often, often use scripture, more than some posters here! I also have the right to ask for it here! Cut the insults and let's see it. Mind your manners.

Now show the scripture that says masturbation is a perverse sexual activity.

 

[Gottservant]

I have learnt to touch properly, ie. without wasting seed.

You can too.

Pray that God will help you show restraint (and start feeling great).

 

[Floatingaxe]

How obscene.

 

[Floatingaxe]

When you squeeze all of it together like that it really gives you an idea of the level of thought and effort Floatingaxe puts into engaging debate.

Absolutely. It is outrageous to debate such a thing. You are wrong to debate a clearly ungodly behaviour. Have you ever thought to actually spend some real time with God to ask Him if what you are doing is righteous--waiting on His response?

I didn't think so...

 

[sentipente]

Now show the scripture that says masturbation is a perverse sexual activity.

Floatingaxe, I am still waiting on that text.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Floatingaxe, I am still waiting on that text.

Just read the Word, friend, read the Word. It is rife with warnings about ungodliness and calls to righteous behaviour.

There are many scriptures about fornication, lust, uncleanness and lewdness. Take your pick. That about covers it.

Here's only one:

2 Corinthians 2:21
Yes, I am afraid that when I come again, God will humble me in your presence. And I will be grieved because many of you have not given up your old sins. You have not repented of your impurity, sexual immorality, and eagerness for lustful pleasure.

God tells us about maintaining self-control, and on taking control of one's thoughts. All of these admonitions come to play in the life of a man with the problem of masturbation.

 

[sentipente]

Just read the Word, friend, read the Word. It is rife with warnings about ungodliness and calls to righteous behaviour.

Why are you being so evasive? You claimed to have scriptural support for your claim that masturbation is perverse sexual behavior. Provide the text.

 

[Dannager]

Absolutely. It is outrageous to debate such a thing. You are wrong to debate a clearly ungodly behaviour. Have you ever thought to actually spend some real time with God to ask Him if what you are doing is righteous--waiting on His response?

At least you've finally admitted that you're not actually interested in participating in this thread's debate.

I didn't think so...

Hahaha, goodness, thank you for giving me ample opportunity to respond!

 

[Dannager]

Just read the Word, friend, read the Word. It is rife with warnings about ungodliness and calls to righteous behaviour.

There are many scriptures about fornication, lust, uncleanness and lewdness. Take your pick. That about covers it.

There is no scripture describing masturbation as ungodly, lust, fornication, uncleanness or lewdness. You have been asked literally dozens of times now to provide any sort of support for a claim like that, and you've adamantly refused to do so on every single occasion.

You've said that you're not interested in the debate. You've spent half the thread calling people filthy pervert reprobates. You've ignored most of the posts addressed to you. What are you hoping to accomplish?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yelling will get no response from me Dannager. Reprobate behaviour is exactly what the topic is, and that is the truth of the matter.

I think it is laughable that a man would get so hot under the collar and rise up to defend his spiritual right to play with himself sexually, as if it were some spiritual error some false prophet was teaching from his very own pulpit!

It is so sad, really, how far people fall away from God and His call to righteous living...

 

[sentipente]

Yelling will get no response from me Dannager.

Ummmmm! He was not yelling. Yelling is all caps. He only used a larger font size. (I am certain you don't have a text that says that a large font size is the same as yelling.)

 

[Dannager]

Yelling will get no response from me Dannager.

That's not yelling. That's me increasing my font size every time you ignore a post or question. And it's not for your benefit. It's a way of illustrating to everyone else exactly how you operate.

Reprobate behaviour is exactly what the topic is, and that is the truth of the matter.

Only in your mind, and that doesn't excuse the insults.