What do you see masturbating as? Sin? Sorry about all the topics you must have!

[Floatingaxe]

But where are you getting the idea that thinking sexual thoughts is inherently bad? If no one thought sexual thoughts outside of marriage, there would be no desire for sex at all, as they would have never conceived of such thoughts to desire them. If so, everyone in the world would stay mere friends, as they would have no desire for anything more. If so, the entire human race would fade out of existence due to lack of procreation. Do you mean to say this is God's will for humanity?

Once again, we are instructed by God to take every thought captive to the Word of God!

2 Corinthians 10:3-5
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,

Colossians 3:2
Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.


Ephesians 4:22-24
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

 

[Dannager]

I believe you are very wrong. We are to take our thoughts captive. A man cannot touch without a thought in mind. They lie who say that they can do it without thinking.

They misunderstand their own physiology!


Think about it!

I don't get it. How can someone take such a horrendously misinterpreted stance on scriptural intent as the above and still pretend that they've got it all right? That sort of blind arrogance is astounding. She doesn't even care to examine whether her position holds any water. It's just repeating the same thing over and over and over.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Now in my book a wet dream is the same as masturbating.

That isn't true. When one has a realease in a dream, or in sleep outside of dreaming, that is not sin. God doesn't hold one accountable for something that occurs without the use of one's will. Now, THAT is a natural occurrence!

As spiritual beings with souls that happen to live in bodies, we have an instruction from God to remain always pure. It is not impossible to defer sexual expression until marriage!

Any other argument against that is from Satan--appealing to your flesh.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.


This is the basis of every sin.

 

[Jedi]

Once again, we are instructed by God to take every thought captive to the Word of God!

Of course, but you're only begging the question that all sexual thoughts must not be conceived, else they are not considered "captive." What scripture teaches is to have our thoughts and actions line up with God. This does not, however, mean that masturbation or thinking sexual thoughts falls outside of God's will, nor does it mean that it is "of the flesh" in the sense that scripture uses the phrase (not merely referring to sensual pleasure but any pleasure that is contrary to God).

All you've done here is begged the question that masturbation or thinking sexual thoughts falls into the category of "of the world" or "of the flesh;" phrases that only describe something as being contrary to God.

Further still, you haven't answered the very serious problem of condemning sexual thoughts (leading to the doom of all humanity).

 

[Floatingaxe]

Romans 13:14
But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

Galatians 5:16-17
[ Walking in the Spirit ] I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

Ephesians 2:3
among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
1 Peter 2:11
[ Living Before the World ] Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul,

1 Peter 4:2
that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.

2 Peter 2:10
and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries,

2 Peter 2:18
[ Deceptions of False Teachers ] For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.

 

[Jedi]

Yet more begging the question.

You post verses about rejecting "the flesh" and "the world." Very well. Show that masturbation is inherently within the definition of "the flesh" or "the world." Until you do, posting all those verses will you get nowhere. It's on the same level as saying "God told us not to do bad stuff." You must first explain how masturbation or thinking sexual thoughts is inherently bad.

"The flesh" does not refer to sex or sensual pleasures. If it did, married people sin terribly by having sex. Indeed, if humanity acted as it should by avoiding "the flesh" (in this sense), the human race should soon fade out of existence due to lack of procreation. Again, "of the flesh" only refers to activities or thoughts contrary to God's will. You have yet to show how thinking sexual thoughts and masturbation falls into that category.

 

[Dannager]

Sure, that's all well and good, Floatingaxe. Except we're not talking about biblical lust. We're talking about masturbation and sexual desire.

Quick, find some more convenient scriptural passages to support your worldview!

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yet more begging the question.

You post verses about rejecting "the flesh" and "the world." Very well. Show that masturbation is inherently within the definition of "the flesh" or "the world." Until you do, posting all those verses will you get nowhere. It's on the same level as saying "God told us not to do bad stuff." You must first explain how masturbation or thinking sexual thoughts is inherently bad.

It is so amazing and sad that the Word of God just makes absolutely no impact on you (include the others in this.)

You have been told ad infinitum what God thinks, yet you refuse to accept the truth. It is the domain of the Holy Spirit to quicken that truth to your spirit.

Apart from you refusing His voice to your heart, there is nothing more we can do to convince you!

The voice of the flesh and of Satan is much louder than the voice of the Holy Spirit. Unless you have a trained ear to hear God, or a desire to even hear Him, you will be deaf to Him.

At least, my conscience is clear--you cannot stand before the Holy God and say you never knew about the sinful, perverse nature of your behaviour. You will not have a leg to stand on before the righteous Judge.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Sure, that's all well and good, Floatingaxe. Except we're not talking about biblical lust. We're talking about masturbation and sexual desire.

Quick, find some more convenient scriptural passages to support your worldview!

All lust of the flesh, mind and eyes!

Why don't you provide some passages that prove your stance? You cannot. All you can do is denigrate those who have the Godly view, and the truth.

 

[Dannager]

Why don't you provide some passages that prove your stance? You cannot.

Yeah, you know why?

Because the Bible doesn't say anything about masturbation being wrong.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yeah, you know why?

Because the Bible doesn't say anything about masturbation being wrong.

The Bible talks about purity. You cannot commit a perverse sexual act like masturbation and remain pure in thought and deed. Impossible.


You have no scriptural leg to stand on for your erroneous beliefs. If scripture doesn't back you up, you must cast your belief off.

Know God today, Dannager!

 

[sentipente]

The Bible talks about purity. You cannot commit a perverse sexual act like masturbation and remain pure in thought and deed. Impossible.


You have no scriptural leg to stand on for your erroneous beliefs. If scripture doesn't back you up, you must cast your belief off.

OK, Floatingaxe. Where is the scripture that calls masturbation a "perverse sexual act?"

 

[KerrMetric]

OK, Floatingaxe. Where is the scripture that calls masturbation a "perverse sexual act?"

There isn't one.

Let's face it - 99.9% of us have done the act this thread is discussing. And of the other 0.1% - 99% of those are not telling the truth IMO.

 

[Floatingaxe]

OK, Floatingaxe. Where is the scripture that calls masturbation a "perverse sexual act?"

As man and woman were made to provide sexual satisfaction form one another---made for it--then any other act outside of marriage is FORNICATION!
ADULTERY!

There are distinct instructions against that! Look them up in your concordance yourself.

 

[Dannager]

The Bible talks about purity. You cannot commit a perverse sexual act like masturbation and remain pure in thought and deed. Impossible.

Masturbation is not a perverse sexual act. The rest of your claim is made invalid.

You have no scriptural leg to stand on for your erroneous beliefs. If scripture doesn't back you up, you must cast your belief off.

I like using the computer. Person B doesn't like using the computer. Person B asks me for scriptural support to back up using the computer. The Bible never mentions computer use. I tell Person B that the Bible says nothing about it. Person B tell me "If scripture doesn't back you up, you must cast your belief off."

Person B is ridiculous, of course, but so is your argument.

Know God today, Dannager!

I can practically see you with a big white telephone number plastered across the screen below you.

 

[Dannager]

As man and woman were made to provide sexual satisfaction form one another---made for it--

They were also conveniently made to provide sexual satisfaction for themselves.

then any other act outside of marriage is FORNICATION!
ADULTERY!

FILTHY FILTHY FILTHY

 

[Floatingaxe]

They were also conveniently made to provide sexual satisfaction for themselves.

FILTHY FILTHY FILTHY

Yes. Your view is deliberately perverse and rebellious.

 

[sentipente]

As man and woman were made to provide sexual satisfaction form one another---made for it--then any other act outside of marriage is FORNICATION!
ADULTERY!

There are distinct instructions against that! Look them up in your concordance yourself.

Not so fast, Floatingaxe. You told Danager he needs to provide scriptural support. The same applies to you. Where is your scriptural suport for your claim. Don't chicken out on us now.

 

[Dannager]

Yes. Your view is deliberately perverse and rebellious.

Is that all you can do? Insult people?

Could you please, for once, actually debate something?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Is that all you can do? Insult people?

Could you please, for once, actually debate something?

I am not insulting, even thought you take it as that. I am stating a fact.