What do we do to prevent another Las Vegas?

[pgp_protector]

One issue with "mental health screening" is that they are subjective and another is that most people are depressed at one time or another in their lives! Even suicidality is "fleeting" in general. Coping skills are needed for the average person, and God provides this support. I honestly do not know how people go through life without GOD! He is my Rock.

Most people who are considered "mentally unwell" at one point in time of their lives are NOT also homicidal.

So we should force Everyone to be one faith then?

 

[Obliquinaut]

Your premise assumes that ALL firearm owners in the USA are dangerous and thus should be disarmed.

You are incorrect on my premise. Nice try though.

I'm suggesting that if you remove the 3 key cities where the majority of those crimes are committed, you find the USA a fairly safe place to live in general. You're less likely to die by another's hand if you don't live in one of those cities... and even less likely if you aren't in a gang.

I agree the US is largely safe (certainly in all the areas I've lived in and I've lived in the Midwest, Northeast, Deep South, Southwest and now Pacific Northwest. Which confuses me why SO MANY Americans feel the need to have a gun.

And I'd like to see the data that suggests that our many, many guns actually keeps us safe. Because numerically it doesn't.

 

[Zoii]

You're not going to stop it.
Ban Guns, they'll use explosives.
Ban the sell of explosives, they'll make it themselves.
Ban equipment for making explosives ?? (Can't really be done) They'll make biological weapons (Ever mix Ammonia & bleach, are we going to ban cleaning agents ? )
Want some other mixture, Hit Google, Bing, Yahoo, or any search engine.
Or go to the library, Going to ban all that?
Then people will go back to dialup BBS (That's where I first found the anarchist cookbook)

Want to reduce it, increase mental health screenings (might have to have forced yearly screening though)
Force everyone to walk (Ban all cars / trucks as they've been used in multiple attacks)
Skin tight clothing only, no pockets to hide stuff. Single ID Band for identification, and give up your freedoms of travel, privacy, self control, ect.

Your logic is, don't control or prohibit guns, because people will just work around it. I guess your advocating that we should not have drug laws... Why have drug laws when people will do what they need to, to access drugs..... Why have child pornography laws when people just continue to find access to it.

 

[Zoii]

How many people could he have killed using the explosives he had?

Well .... I don't get you? Are you saying there shouldn't be restrictions on access to explosives? That can't be a good thing

 

[lasthero]

Crime is less in areas of the USA where EVERYONE is known to be carrying a firearm. Why do you suppose that is?

That's not actually true.

Just for one example, Memphis and New Orleans have relatively lax gun laws, but still a high instance of gun violence. Compare.

As far as studies show, there doesn't seem to be much correlation either way. You can find examples of cities with strict gun laws and low gun violence, and vice versa.

 

[wing2000]

Registry doesn't do a thing but give government "too much" oversight. They know exactly where each and every weapon is (thinking about Hitler keeping track of each Jew...) Besides, this latest pervert bought 33 weapons this last year, I think, and had a background check for each one... so why didn't the government at least pay him a visit?

Why do you have so little faith in American institutions and people?

 

[wing2000]

Crime is less in areas of the USA where EVERYONE is known to be carrying a firearm. Why do you suppose that is?

Wait, how is everyone known to be carrying a firearm? Can you name one such area?

 

[drjean]

Have you only lived in cities your whole life?

 

[drjean]

That's not actually true.

Just for one example, Memphis and New Orleans have relatively lax gun laws, but still a high instance of gun violence. Compare.

As far as studies show, there doesn't seem to be much correlation either way. You can find examples of cities with strict gun laws and low gun violence, and vice versa.

Stats can be read a multiplicity of ways, depending upon the reader's bent. Are those stats based upon total population? Do they include children? If it does, and the parents have many children the stats are further skewed. Just can't grab a chart and say, "See?"

Those are States, also, not areas... I've lived in places where "everyone" kept their rifle/shotgun mounted in the rear window of their 'truck'... very little burglary etc in those areas. I daresay most of the stats today are produced by the socialistic minded, wanting power over the people and refusing to abide by our Constitutional Republic goals.

 

[wing2000]

Have you only lived in cities your whole life?

No, I grew up in in rural Pennsylvania...where deer hunting was a rite of passage and a ground hog was readily available for target practice.

 

[drjean]

hmmm "hurt no living thing" Did you eat the groundhog afterwards?

 

[wing2000]

hmmm "hurt no living thing" Did you eat the groundhog afterwards?

Who are you quoting?
I can't say I ever thought about eating ground hog. Have you ever eaten mice or rats?

 

[Armoured]

Crime is less in areas of the USA where EVERYONE is known to be carrying a firearm. Why do you suppose that is?

Citation for this claim?

 

[SolomonVII]

The Effect Of Open Carry On Violent Crime Rates | Extrano's Alley

 

[RDKirk]

Australia still has plenty of guns, they're just better regulated.

Australians are better regulated. And I don't mean that in a bad way.

 

[DogmaHunter]

/s denotes sarcasm. We update our laws. Hence why you can't buy automatics.

But you can easily buy extensions which turns semi-automatics, into automatics.
Just like the shooter in las vegas did.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Stats can be read a multiplicity of ways, depending upon the reader's bent. Are those stats based upon total population? Do they include children? If it does, and the parents have many children the stats are further skewed. Just can't grab a chart and say, "See?"

Those are States, also, not areas... I've lived in places where "everyone" kept their rifle/shotgun mounted in the rear window of their 'truck'... very little burglary etc in those areas. I daresay most of the stats today are produced by the socialistic minded, wanting power over the people and refusing to abide by our Constitutional Republic goals.

So is this why the NRA was so interested in pushing legislation through FORBIDDING THE CDC TO EVEN STUDY GUN DEATH STATISTICS?

 

[Obliquinaut]

Yes, the mere fear that "everyone" is carrying or the person you are about to assault might be able to shoot you first... works.

According to a 2017 study it looks like this is not true. (SOURCE)

There's a reason we no longer live in "wild west" towns. Even in those largely fictional days of yore where there were white-hat men shooting all the Liberty Valences, there was a need to eliminate guns in cities and small towns.

And, again, Dr. Jean, I ask (in hopes you won't make a joke out of it as you did the last time I asked about this): could you honestly say you could, if threatened, blow a human being's head up with the brains splattering all over your home. Could you really do it and not be affected negatively?

Remember all the veterans of wars who, even while being shot at by the enemy, found it disturbing in the extreme to kill another person.

Do you think you could act quickly enough and make the "right" call and then watch the head explode and the blood geyeser up and walk away unscarred?

 

[Obliquinaut]

no and no

So if it is poverty and bad living conditions that lead us to dangerous crime-infested areas in the US but not the availability of guns, then how do we solve the problem?

And, I've seen New Orleans public housing when I lived in New Orleans. It is awful. And often times they are literally around the corner from opulence and wealth. There was one just outside the Garden District that was terrifying.

I think what we see in America among Conservatives (especially those espousing Christian values) is a love of money over people and a love of "living by the sword". Sure a lot of them mouth the mealy mouthed words of "sanctity of life" but that's only so that they can denigrate women who find themselves in untenable situations and making a horrible choice of abortion. Sure they care for the poor with their charities, but only insofar as it gives them a chance to pick and choose who the "deserving poor" are and so long as those deserving poor come to their way of belief.

It's safer when one knows one is doing God's work denigrating the poor by blaming them for their lot and assuming all poor people are lazy. It's safer to think one can be a sure-shot and take out the bad guy like in an action movie.

Sanctity of life? Nah, that isn't our gig here in the USA. Judgement and Mammon are our only gods.

 

[dogs4thewin]

You're not going to stop it.
Ban Guns, they'll use explosives.
Ban the sell of explosives, they'll make it themselves.
Ban equipment for making explosives ?? (Can't really be done) They'll make biological weapons (Ever mix Ammonia & bleach, are we going to ban cleaning agents ? )
Want some other mixture, Hit Google, Bing, Yahoo, or any search engine.
Or go to the library, Going to ban all that?
Then people will go back to dialup BBS (That's where I first found the anarchist cookbook)

Want to reduce it, increase mental health screenings (might have to have forced yearly screening though)
Force everyone to walk (Ban all cars / trucks as they've been used in multiple attacks)
Skin tight clothing only, no pockets to hide stuff. Single ID Band for identification, and give up your freedoms of travel, privacy, self control, ect.

but the thing with forced annual health screening is manpower or lack thereof to do that especially on a YEARLY basis.