What do we do to prevent another Las Vegas?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There's absolutely no correlation between religion and less mass shootings in a country.

Who told you this?

Many violent, extreme actions have been done "in god's name" by so-called Christians and non-Christians alike --- many many more than the occassional ones by lone shooters or terrorists in the news, yes many many more. (no, they do not always let it be known WHO is behind it, obviously.... read up on history for a very shocking discovery of same ! )

 

[Allandavid]

Well, that is a somewhat valid argument. We have a large mental health problem.

I'm actually in favor of gun rights. I would just like honest discussion from both sides, and for people on my side of the argument to stop saying "we can't talk about this right now", when now is exactly the time to talk about it. Even if all we agree to do is simply mourn our dead and put up with the carnage, it is at least worth talking about an issue taking so many lives in such a brutal fashion.

Why would you assume your mental health problems are greater than any other Western nation? And if they are, isn't that a strong argument for limiting access to automatic weapons?

 

[Allandavid]

Who says we need a solution???

Progressivism: The silliest way known to man to deal with life. First you create solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before which then means you have to find a solution to that problem you just created…

Oh my....

How often do you need to have a gun massacre before it becomes a "problem"...?

 

[szechuan]

 

[szechuan]

Oh my....

How often do you need to have a gun massacre before it becomes a "problem"...?

America: "Gun ownership is a right, healthcare is a privilege"
The Civilized World: "Healthcare is a right, gun ownership is a privilege"

 

[Vylo]

Who says we need a solution???

Progressivism: The silliest way known to man to deal with life. First you create solutions to problems that don’t exist, thereby creating a problem where none existed before which then means you have to find a solution to that problem you just created…

Quite a few people since, you know, several dozen people were just mowed down at a concert, and it is becoming a more common problem. I think this at least warrants an honest discussion.

 

[RDKirk]

So. The question was asked how to stop mass shootings. I answered the question. We know the way is take people's gun rights away. Nothing else will work.

That will require the worst of the War on Drugs rested upon the entire country. No-knock police invasions in every neighborhood, and it would have to continue for decades upon decades, because guns are easily manufactured at home.

And of course, whenever the US goings into a "War on..." it's always black men who suffer most.

 

[RDKirk]

Why would you assume your mental health problems are greater than any other Western nation? And if they are, isn't that a strong argument for limiting access to automatic weapons?

Access to automatic weapons is highly limited.

 

[RDKirk]

A gun makes a person, even a child, dangerous. Far less dangerous than they are without. I wouldn't be very afraid of someone attempting to rob me, even with a knife

Are you speaking from experience?

 

[Tanj]

Are you speaking from experience?

Gun toting toddlers kill about 20 Americans a year, and shoot someone about 1/week. Seems pretty dangerous to me.

 

[wing2000]

How do we prevent another Las Vegas?

In a free country, we will never prevent such events.

We can, however, take steps to reduce the lethality of weapons available for legal purchase. Bump fire stocks, for example, should be banned.

 

[RDKirk]

Gun toting toddlers kill about 20 Americans a year, and shoot someone about 1/week. Seems pretty dangerous to me.

That response has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

 

[LoAmmi]

Are you speaking from experience?

I have been threatened with a knife before, yeah.

 

[Fantine]

Make mental health care affordable and available. Enact sensible gun control regulations.
SBut I also think we have become a society of individualists. Gun ownership is part of this over-emphasis on individualism. Every community has a local police force, and yet many feel they have to be armed at all times.

I have lived for 68 years, the first forty in metropolitan NY, six of those in New York City, and I have never felt the need to own a gun. I consider myself to be a fairly anxious person...but nowhere near as anxious as people who think they have to walk around with guns all the time. Why? Why? Why?

Sadly, a percentage of them have committed suicide or been killed by family members.

So here is my sage advice: You don't have to do everything yourself. You can outsource your protection! Yes, you can do it! I have outsourced my protection all my life, and nothing ever happened...

I didn't even have to do anything special! I didn't have to call up 911 and say, "Hey, I'm wearing a slinky dress to a party, and won't be able to carry a gun, so I just want to contract with you for protection for the next few hours, OK?" No! The police were there anyway, 24 hours a day, I didn't have to do a thing.

 

[Armoured]

If you can't guarantee my safety, then you have no moral authority to determine what measures are proper for my personal safety. In fact, there is no acceptable moral argument I need accept that I should be the one who pulls the short straw in a Shirley Jackson lottery.

An argument that statistics dictated morality would be quickly lost.

The US courts have already ruled that the government itself has no responsibility for my personal safety.

If you can create a situation in which that young punk doesn't get a gun that yet allows me to take whatever measures I deem necessary to protect me from that young punk's equally effective fists and knives, I'd be open to hear it.

When is safety ever "guaranteed"?

 

[Fantine]

To RD Kirk: Every statistic I've ever read has shown that people who have guns in their homes are more likely to be victims of gun violence than those who don't.

Does owning a gun make you safer?

Myth #5: Keeping a gun at home makes you safer.
Fact-check: Owning a gun has been linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by gun.
• For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 assaults or murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.
• 43 percent of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.
• In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.



Myth #6: Carrying a gun for self-defense makes you safer.
Fact-check: In 2014, according to FBI data, nearly eight times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1 percent of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at these claims found that more than half involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A study in Philadelphia found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.

10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down – Mother Jones

I do realize that we have a Second Amendment and so if you and others choose to put your lives and the lives of those you love at greater risk by keeping guns I can't stop you.

 

[David Brider]

If you can't guarantee my safety, then you have no moral authority to determine what measures are proper for my personal safety.

That's fine. I'm not claiming any moral authority to determine what measures are proper for your personal safety. I'm just saying that the best way to bring about an end to the terrible mass shooting which plague the USA is to start by ending the current situation which has widespread and legal availability of guns in private hands.

 

[Allandavid]

Access to automatic weapons is highly limited.

And yet, that sounded like hundreds of rounds of automatic gunfire in Las Vegas..?

Now, you will probably tell me that he had to break the law to modify his weapons...so, 2 questions...

1. Why would breaking the law be a barrier to a man planning to kill hundreds?

2. How easy does your gun accessibility make it for him to be able to break those laws undetected..?

 

[Tanj]

And yet, that sounded like hundreds of rounds of automatic gunfire in Las Vegas..?

Now, you will probably tell me that he had to break the law to modify his weapons

Nope, he used bump stocks to up the fire rate. Perfectly legal.

 

[JoeP222w]

If you are a Christian, you are commanded by God to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ to all the nations and call every man to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. God is the only one who changes the evil and wicked hearts of mankind. No amount of gun control, increased security, violation of privacy or other man-made effort will ever stop the evil heart of man.

Cain killed Abel long before guns were invented, so more gun control will not stop man murdering man. Man is inherently evil, not inherently good.