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Because you're made the allegation repeatedly, we should inquire...
Is it known that Jm belongs to WofF, yes or no?
the enemy and his minions DID think they won as Jesus was suffering and dying for us. God had turned His back on His only begotten Son when He became sin for us. That's why Jesus cried out to God, asking why He had forsaken Him.
Yes, and our Heavenly Father was pacing the floor, deeply deeply concerned.
Sorry brinny, no offense but...
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Depends on who is doing the definitions.
WoF is a general term that applies to a subsection or movement of christianity that preaches similarly, though not identically on many matters.
I am not aware if any particular ministry has ownership rights on the term.
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Was that with cash or by check or credit cardI paid for my opinions, but thanks for your concerns.
Originally Posted by brinny
the enemy and his minions DID think they won as Jesus was suffering and dying for us. God had turned His back on His only begotten Son when He became sin for us. That's why Jesus cried out to God, asking why He had forsaken Him.
Yes, and our Heavenly Father was pacing the floor, deeply deeply concerned.
Sorry brinny, no offense but...
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God, in essence sacrificed Himself through His only begotten Son, for us. It is because He loved us to that extent and that dire extent was necessary because sin is heinous and separated us from a holy God.
The God Who purposely sent His only begotten Son to be born, and then to absorb our sins, dying a disgraceful, criminal's death -Was He, this God, within His rights to do so? Didn't His holy-ness require it? Was it a hateful thing He has done? Is this the God who some would deny, saying God would never do such a thing because God is a God of love? God HAD to do such a thing. It is because of this:
The game being employed by Joyce is that Jesus ceased to be the Son of God at some point along the trail brinny, which is your everyday basic heresy notwithstanding the other personally imposed wild embellishments.
But hey, in some hands the Gospel can be very imaginative.
Generally speaking and a good rule of thumb is that anyone who tries to divide any member of the Trinity from the other is probably flirting with heresy. That's the quick measure.
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I would like to ask how Joyce Meyer views "hell"...........I find it interesting that the religion of Judaism has no concept of the type of "hell" that is depicted in mainstream Christianity and in the religion of Islam.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7491713/
Judaism and Hell
This parable in Luke 16 is rather interesting, as it is the only place, outside of the book of Revelation, that shows a person in torments by "fire".
This parable was spoken to the Jews [and religious rulers who heard it]
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Yeshua told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell.
Yet a thorough, unbiased examination of this story will show that the generally accepted interpretations of this passage of Scripture are erroneous and misleading. In this article, we will go through the parable verse by verse to determine what the Messiah was truly teaching......................
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God's grace covers the details that are inexplicable.....i don't see any division of the trinity. He DID die. He became sin for us. He WAS separated from a God Who was compelled to turn His back on Him. THat is why Jesus the Christ's earthly body actually expired, died, so we would not be claimed by and defeated in death and an eternal cursing.
Orthodoxy probably doesn't hold that view.
God was IN CHRIST so it is problematic to separate any member of the Trinity from the other.
God in Christ was fully God and also fully man.
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the enemy and his minions DID think they won as Jesus was suffering and dying for us. God had turned His back on His only begotten Son when He became sin for us. That's why Jesus cried out to God, asking why He had forsaken Him.
THe Christ hanging on the cross took sin upon Himself. God turned His back on the One Who was sent for this purpose. The question is, was God turning hIs back on "Himself"?
If you read Genesis 15, you will see Abraham enacting a blood covenant between himself and God. There is mention of the horror of great darkness that foreshadows the cross of Christ.
We had a debt of sin and separation from God. Jesus paid the price of that sin and separation under the blood covenant of the New Testament with his own blood. It is we that cant look upon a holy God not the other way round. God does look upon sin and he judges it rightly. Jesus being God could never have God turn his back on him, its because he paid our debt (he became sin for us not a sinner) and he died willingly as the sinless Son of God delivering us by substitutionary atonement and quoted Psalm 22.
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