What Conclusion Did A Highly Educated Ex-Atheist And Ex-Skeptic Come To About God?

[MandM]

You are curious, aren't you?

Check out these YouTube style videos:

http://www.leestrobel.com/channels/anySubCat.php?category=Creation/God in the Universe

These videos drive atheists and skeptics UP A WALL!

It drives them crazy that an ex-atheist just destroys their arguments. It gives them panic attacks when they realize that it is the Christians who have the intellectual high ground.

I have asked skeptics over and over and over to debunk any of these videos and they can never do it.

If these videos intrigue you, and you wish to investigate the evidence for Christianity further, I urge you to check out this thread:

http://foru.ms/t6218494-eyewitness-testimony-from-those-who-have-seen-heaven-and-seen-hell.html

Dark times are coming soon. Invite Jesus the Messiah into your life while there is still time!

 

[Job_s_First_Son]

Day after Day
Creeps in this petty pace
To the last syllable of recorded time
And all our yesterdays have lit fools the way to dusty death;
Out brief candle

Life is but a walking shadow
A poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And is heard of no more
It is a tale told by an idiot
Full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing

- William Shakespeare

 

[Pathfinder]

Why do you even care what atheists think? Just believe what you believe and forget what everyone else says.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You are curious, aren't you?

Check out these YouTube style videos:

http://www.leestrobel.com/channels/anySubCat.php?category=Creation/God in the Universe

These videos drive atheists and skeptics UP A WALL!

It drives them crazy that an ex-atheist just destroys their arguments. It gives them panic attacks when they realize that it is the Christians who have the intellectual high ground.

I have asked skeptics over and over and over to debunk any of these videos and they can never do it.

If these videos intrigue you, and you wish to investigate the evidence for Christianity further, I urge you to check out this thread:

http://foru.ms/t6218494-eyewitness-testimony-from-those-who-have-seen-heaven-and-seen-hell.html

Dark times are coming soon. Invite Jesus the Messiah into your life while there is still time!

Pick a claim, and let's debate it. I a scepticle about these grandose claims you have made.

 

[The Nihilist]

I watched one of the videos, and not unlike you, the video talks about there being evidence without ever actually presenting any. I'm fairly confident that if we got down to it, they'd have biblical evidence and nothing else. Biblical evidence convinces no one who isn't a christian, and even then it only seldom works.
More importantly, though, you don't belong here, MandM. To participate in philosophy, one must be willing to seek the truth, and this requires that one be prepared to accept as the truth what one would hate to be true. Is there any level at which you would be prepared to accept that god doesn't exist?

 

[Im_A]

You are curious, aren't you?

Check out these YouTube style videos:

http://www.leestrobel.com/channels/anySubCat.php?category=Creation/God in the Universe

These videos drive atheists and skeptics UP A WALL!

It drives them crazy that an ex-atheist just destroys their arguments. It gives them panic attacks when they realize that it is the Christians who have the intellectual high ground.

I have asked skeptics over and over and over to debunk any of these videos and they can never do it.

If these videos intrigue you, and you wish to investigate the evidence for Christianity further, I urge you to check out this thread:

http://foru.ms/t6218494-eyewitness-testimony-from-those-who-have-seen-heaven-and-seen-hell.html

Dark times are coming soon. Invite Jesus the Messiah into your life while there is still time!

so i have a question:

are you trying to scare people to Christianity by saying "dark times are coming soon" (don't know if you live here on this planet, but dark times have been here long before Christ) by using one example, of one person who descided to go to Christianity thinking many will jump on the bus to save them from a mythological place?

 

[NavyGuy7]

Day after Day
Creeps in this petty pace
To the last syllable of recorded time
And all our yesterdays have lit fools the way to dusty death;
Out brief candle

Life is but a walking shadow
A poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And is heard of no more
It is a tale told by an idiot
Full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing

- William Shakespeare

I always did enjoy Hamlet. The perfect murder mystery/ drama / action "movie" back in the day. Though how it relates to this thread, I don't know. Thx for the intellectual treat, though!
Ah.... poetry.....

 

[NavyGuy7]

so i have a question:

are you trying to scare people to Christianity by saying "dark times are coming soon" (don't know if you live here on this planet, but dark times have been here long before Christ) by using one example, of one person who descided to go to Christianity thinking many will jump on the bus to save them from a mythological place?

I think he means darker times. Like in the future, what we have now might pale in comparison? And looking at the world today, I can believe it. We are our own undoing.

 

[NavyGuy7]

I watched one of the videos, and not unlike you, the video talks about there being evidence without ever actually presenting any. I'm fairly confident that if we got down to it, they'd have biblical evidence and nothing else. Biblical evidence convinces no one who isn't a christian, and even then it only seldom works.
More importantly, though, you don't belong here, MandM. To participate in philosophy, one must be willing to seek the truth, and this requires that one be prepared to accept as the truth what one would hate to be true. Is there any level at which you would be prepared to accept that god doesn't exist?

This applies to you as well, dude. Are you prepared to accept that God does exist?
As far as I'm concerned, he's no different than, say, DoubtingThomas saying there is no God in that other thread. He is stating something he believes to be truth, and sharing it.

 

[NavyGuy7]

Why do you even care what atheists think? Just believe what you believe and forget what everyone else says.

That would be against Christianity. Although we should respect your decisions/beliefs, that doesn't mean Christians will leave you alone. It's similar to watching someone drown, from our point of view. Do you try to help the guy or watch him drown. In this particular case, however, only the person's own choice will help him escape completely from that fate.
So you see, it's nothing against you personally. It's done out of compassion, or at least should be done from compassion and love. That would obviously exclude hyprocritical holier-than-thou types who think they are perfect.

 

[NavyGuy7]

Wait... why does it say Messianic for your icon? Explain to me in a PM, plz.

 

[Nathan45]

I always did enjoy Hamlet. The perfect murder mystery/ drama / action "movie" back in the day. Though how it relates to this thread, I don't know. Thx for the intellectual treat, though!
Ah.... poetry.....

That was macbeth not hamlet

 

[MandM]

I have a Messianic symbol because I am a Messianic Christian.

If anyone has any questions about that, please PM me.

 

[Job_s_First_Son]

I always did enjoy Hamlet. The perfect murder mystery/ drama / action "movie" back in the day. Though how it relates to this thread, I don't know. Thx for the intellectual treat, though!
Ah.... poetry.....

Watched one of the videos and one of the guys said how life was absurd without a god. Quote popped into my mind.

I saw the guy (not strobel) at university in the early 1990's. He was preaching in front of the library. Funny to see him pop up. Same spiel (and clothes)!

 

[NavyGuy7]

That was macbeth not hamlet

You're right! ACK! But I haven't read Macbeth since 8th grade, whereas I've read Hamlet at least 4 or 5 times. I enjoyed Macbeth, too. I actually played the ghost in the school play.

 

[The Nihilist]

This applies to you as well, dude. Are you prepared to accept that God does exist?
As far as I'm concerned, he's no different than, say, DoubtingThomas saying there is no God in that other thread. He is stating something he believes to be truth, and sharing it.

I would trade everything in this life for what is promised in heaven, if only I had reason to believe that the bible was true and that god existed.
I actually became an atheist by facing what I would hate to be true, that god does not exist. I think most of us here are willing to engage in discussion, and are willing to change our position if it can be shown that we are incorrect. From what I have read from MandM, I am skeptical that he is in this category.

 

[phsyxx]

Day after Day
Creeps in this petty pace
To the last syllable of recorded time
And all our yesterdays have lit fools the way to dusty death;
Out brief candle

Life is but a walking shadow
A poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And is heard of no more
It is a tale told by an idiot
Full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing

- William Shakespeare

Can I er...get some references on that Shakespeare quote, and also, your sig? Please? It's just they kinda struck a chord, and it's continuing to ring.

 

[phsyxx]

I have a Messianic symbol because I am a Messianic Christian.

If anyone has any questions about that, please PM me.

Yeah - what does PM stand for?

 

[NavyGuy7]

Private Message. LOL.

 

[quatona]

You are curious, aren't you?

Moderately, considering the nature and quality of previous links of yours.

These videos drive atheists and skeptics UP A WALL!

Promise?

It drives them crazy that an ex-atheist just destroys their arguments. It gives them panic attacks when they realize that it is the Christians who have the intellectual high ground.

Well, if the christianity turned out to have the intellectual high ground, that would not be a reason to drive me up a wall or give me panic attacks. I would simply become a christian. You overestimate my emotionality attached to the non-existence of things.

I have asked skeptics over and over and over to debunk any of these videos and they can never do it.

What would you consider debunking them? So far I haven´t seen you engaging in any discussion. Mostly you simply declare yourself the winner without even giving an argument.

I won´t go through all that stuff. Just give me the very best argument, and if it is a good one I´ll thank you for sharing it and be eager to hear the second best next. And so forth.