What Calendar Did God Establish at Creation? And was Adam a Jew?

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INTRODUCTION
As I have been growing and walking with the Lord it saddens me that there are so many brothers and sisters in the Lord who are fast asleep, and lack a basic understanding of God's Word: and this is very apparent when dealing with the exact calendar God established at creation. Why is this? Well when people do not have God as their basic starting point for everything then they fail to ask basic questions, and in the end don't have the basic answers they're looking for...and I should know because I too was once a part of those in Plato's Cave. This thread will serve as an introduction to ask these basic and important questions, so that the answers which follow will be clear. This thread is not an exhaustive account of every single type of calendar out their as that would be a foolish thing to try and cover. Instead we will start with the Truth and prove it biblically, and from there everything which departs from the Truth of God's Word, whether small or great, is considered false.

NATIONALITY AND ETHNICITY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
When Moses wrote the Law (i.e. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) how was he able to accurately narrarate all of the histories prior to his birth? One could say that he was able to use written histories of other nations, and on the surface this might seem sound, but the way in which Moses narrates is unlike regular historians who are citing from public records or writings of other historians, as it is clear that Moses writes everything as a matter of fact; furthermore we know that when Moses received all of His knowledge from God he was on Mt. Sinai for 40 Days and 40 Nights: therefore Moses wouldn't have been able to consult any pagan works nor have any works from Noah, Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob and his twelve sons to consult from and compare. So then we are left with concluding that God Himself or an angel sent by God personally narrated these histories to Moses. And this isn't unreasonable to believe for not even Adam was present at the beginning of creation for Moses tells us plainly that he was created on Day 6 (e.g. Friday).

And speaking of Adam it is a huge misconception that he was either Hebrew or Jewish, and this same erroneous conclusion is used to determine the ethnicity of Moses, Jacob and his twleve sons, Isaac, Abraham, etc. From here we must ask ourselves, "What is the difference between nationality and ethnicity?" Nationality deals with the place one is born whereas ethnicity is concened with the people group one is descended from; in our modern day we are used to using the terms Hebrew, Jew, and Israeli interchangeabley but, if we are to be precise and use them correctly:

Israel = Nation
Jew = Judah = Tribe
Hebrew = Ethnicity


So then every Israelite is a Hebrew, but not every Hebrew is an Israelite or a Jew. Proof of this may be seen in the story of Jacob who was given a second name Israel by God, and his fourth son Judah is where the term Jew comes from: and becuase Jacob has twelve sons we know that there are twelve tribes of Israel, and it is these tribes which make up the nation of Israel; what's more Jacob and his sons are all Hebrew because they all descend from Abraham who was the first to be called a Hebrew; and they are called Hebrews because of their great ancestor Heber/Eber who is descended from Shem; and, Shem's name in Greek is spelled Sem and is where we get the term semite. From this evidence we see that prior to Jacob being born there were no Jews or Israelites to speak of, but only Hebrews; and when we go back to Shem we see that he himself was not a Hebrew, nor was Noah, all the way back to Adam. So then what language did everyone speak prior to the Flood? This question may be answered by asking a different question, "What language are the first ten generations before the Flood written in?" The simple answer is Hebrew, so it is not suprising that God continued His narrative through Abraham the Hebrew, and recorded it in Hebrew through Moses.

With the aforesaid now clear I would like to clear up some major errors concerning Abraham, Jacob, and Moses as regards their nationality and ethnic origins. Many people foolishly claim that Abraham was a Babylonian, Jacob a Canaanite, and Moses an Egyptian and I find this due to either pure ignorance or evil motives to deceive. While it is true that Abraham was born in Babylon this only means his nationality is Babylonian but his ethnic origin according to his genealogy is Hebrew because of his ancestor Heber. In a similar fashion people unfamiliar with the origins of Jacob would naturally assume him to be a Canaanite becuase he sojourned in Canaan; and others might wrongly call him a Syrian or Aramean because of his brother-in-law Laban who lived in that country, but for the same reasons stated above this is incorrect as these only refer to countries and nations but, not his ethnic origins; and, many make this same error with Moses simply because he was born in Egypt: they confuse nationality with ethnicity.

Sadly these same errors still persist up to this day and it affects the way people read the Word of God and interpret it; and, if people interpret the Word of God incorrectly then all their interpretations of evidence connected to the Word of God will also be in error which leads to the breaking of God's Law. Failure to understand these basic things have led many to following the wrong biblical calendar and so we see all types of brothers and sisters observing the holy days of God on one day, and others on different days.


WHAT SEASON DOES THE YEAR BEGIN?
Getting back to Moses recording the Law given to him by God what does he say about the only month which has a proper Hebrew origin name?

“Honor the Lord your God by celebrating Passover in the month of Abib; it was on a night in that month that he rescued you from Egypt."
Deuteronomy 16:1 GNTD

What does Abib mean in Hebrew? "spring".

Hebrew Word of the day "Spring". by Rosen School of Hebrew (formerly eTeacher Hebrew)
Rosen School of Hebrew

When did Moses and Aaron's sister Miriam die?

"In the first month the whole community of Israel came to the wilderness of Zin and camped at Kadesh. There Miriam died and was buried."
Numbers 20:1 GNTD

When did God command Moses to rear up the Tabernacle?

"The Lord said to Moses, So on the first day of the first month of the second year after they left Egypt, the Tent of the Lord's presence was set up."
Exodus 40:1‭, ‬17 GNTD

What month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to be observed?

Keep the Festival of Unleavened Bread. As I have commanded you, eat unleavened bread for seven days in the month of Abib, because it was in that month that you left Egypt."
Exodus 34:18 GNTD

"In the month of Abib, the month in which you left Egypt, celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread in the way that I commanded you. Do not eat any bread made with yeast during the seven days of this festival. Never come to worship me without bringing an offering."
Exodus 23:15 GNTD

Did Moses say that Abib is the first month of the year?

"Moses said to the people, 'Remember this day—the day on which you left Egypt, the place where you were slaves. This is the day the Lord brought you out by his great power. No leavened bread is to be eaten. You are leaving Egypt on this day in the first month, the month of Abib.'"
Exodus 13:3-4 GNTD

Did Moses agree or disagree with God on this?

"The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron in Egypt: 'This month is to be the first month of the year for you.'"
Exodus 12:1‭-‬2 GNTD

Will anyone dare to argue against God and Moses regarding this matter? Let's take this a step further and look at Day 3 of creation and see what season the year begins:

"Then God commanded, 'Let the water below the sky come together in one place, so that the land will appear'—and it was done. He named the land 'Earth,' and the water which had come together he named 'Sea.' And God was pleased with what he saw. Then he commanded, 'Let the earth produce all kinds of plants, those that bear grain and those that bear fruit'—and it was done. So the earth produced all kinds of plants, and God was pleased with what he saw. Evening passed and morning came—that was the third day."
Genesis 1:9‭-‬13 GNTD

When we look at nature which of the four seasons does new life appear from the ground? When do bears come out of hibernation? And when do animals migrate from the south back towards the north?

A) Spring (Correct)
B) Summer (Incorrect)
C) Fall (Incorrect)
D) Winter (Incorrect)


If you answered A) Spring great job! If not then you'll have to review the lesson and try again.

WHAT DAY DOES THE YEAR BEGIN EXACTLY?
Now that we know the year begins in the spring season what day does spring exactly begin? Many will rush and say Day 1 of creation but this is incorrect as God didn't create the Sun, Moon and stars until Day 4 (see Genesis 1:1-19). Others may say that God begins the year whenever He chooses to, but this second statement we can prove to be false as God began and ended each day at a specific time, and He began the week on Day 1 and ended it on Day 7; and in the Ten Commandments Moses tells us that Days 1-6 are for us to do all of our work while the 7th Day is a Shabbat: for this pattern of work and rest follows the example of God during the creation week (see Genesis 1:1-2:3 cf. Exodus 20:8-11). According to the Word of God He only designated the Sun, Moon and stars to be keep track of time and nothing else, all of the other activities in nature would simply act as indicators to help us point what season we're in, but they couldn't tell us the exact day or hour (Genesis 1:14-19 cf. vv. 9-13; 20-31).

God's Word then instructs us to understand that without the Sun, Moon and stars you cannot have a proper working calendar, and that He began His calendar on Day 4 of creation. What then are these, "[...]two great lights[...]" Moses is referring to God creating when he says, "[...]the greater light to rule over the day, and the lesser light to rule over the night: He made the stars also."? When we look at in nature at the sky during the day we see the Sun, and at night we see the Moon and the stars: therefore we know that the Sun is the Greater Light and the Moon is the Lesser Light. Clearly this contradicts our modern notion of astronomy where we are told that the Moon is not a light source but refelects the light from the Sun...and when you trace back where we get this knowledge from it ultimately comes from pagan unbelievers...not from God; and for anyone with a telescope or who has been able to see the Moon landing videos from NASA will observe that the Moon has no reflective surface...and a simple experiment of solid and liquid objects will show the observer that only mirrors and water can reflect light...otherwise aside from the Sun, Moon and stars there are very few objects in our world which can emit light or act act as light sources. So then because the Sun is greater than the Moon, and the Moon greater than the stars: we see that the Biblical Calendar of God is solar and led by the Sun which regulates the day and the seasons throughout the year; the other luminaries are important as well for God made them to regulate the night and act as signs for other things.

Is there any archaeological evidence to support the year beginning on the 4th Day (e.g. Wednesday)? Yes:

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As regards when the year ends and it's length we only need to consult the story of Noah, for in his story we are told according to the LXX that the Flood began in his 600th Year in the 27th Day of the 2nd Month (17th Day according to the MT) and ended in his 601st Year in the 27th Day of the 2nd Month: a total of 360 Days/1 Year (370 Days/1 Year 10 Days according to the MT).

To test this out let us lay out the solar and lunar year in order to determine which of the two pass the 150 Day test of Genesis 7:24-8:4:

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Solar Year
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1st Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring/Vernal Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

2nd Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (Noah 600 at Flood)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (7 Days)

3rd Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01
02 03 04 05 06 07 (14 Days)
08 09 10 11 12 13 14 (21 Days)
15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (28 Days)
22 23 24 25 26 27 28 (35 Days)
29 30_______________ (42 Days)

4th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Summer Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11 (49 Days)
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (56 Days)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (63 Days)
26 27 28 29 30______ (70 Days)

5th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09 (77 Days)
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 (84 Days)
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (91 Days)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (98 Days)

6th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01
02 03 04 05 06 07 (105 Days)
08 09 10 11 12 13 14 (112 Days)
15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (119 Days)
22 23 24 25 26 27 28 (126 Days)
29 30_______________ (133 Days)

7th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Fall/Autumnal Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11 (140 Days)
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (150 Days)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

8th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

9th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30_______________

10th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Winter Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

11th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30

12th Solar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
08 09 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30_______________

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Lunar Year
==========
1st Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Spring/Vernal Equinox)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29_________

2nd Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
____________01 02 03
04 05 06 07 08 09 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 (Noah 600 at Flood)
25 26 27 28 29 30___ (7 Days)

3rd Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
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02 03 04 05 06 07 08 (14 Days)
09 10 11 12 13 14 15 (21 Days)
16 17 18 19 20 21 22 (28 Days)
23 24 25 26 27 28 29 (35 Days)

4th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01
02[03]04 05 06 07 (42 Days) (S. Solstice)
08 09 10 11 12 13 14 (49 Days)
15 16 17 18 19 20 21 (56 Days)
22 23 24 25 26 27 28 (63 Days)
29 30_______________ (70 Days)

5th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______01 02 03 04 05
06 07 08 09 10 11 12 (77 Days)
13 14 15 16 17 18 19 (84 Days)
20 21 22 23 24 25 26 (91 Days)
27 28 29____________ (98 Days)

6th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11 (105 Days)
12 13 14 15 16 17 18 (112 Days)
19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (119 Days)
26 27 28 29 30______ (126 Days)

7th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]_____01 02 (Fall/Autumnal Equinox)
03 04 05 06 07 08 09 (133 Days)
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 (145 Days)
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29___

8th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
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02 03 04 05 06 07 08
09 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30__________________

9th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
___01 02 03 04 05 06
07 08 09 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29_______________

10th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
______[01]01 02 03 04 (Winter Solstice)
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

11th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02
03 04 05 06 07 08 09
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29___

12th Lunar Month
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
___________________01
02 03 04 05 06 07 08
09 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30__________________

As you all can clearly see when you separate the Solar and Lunar years from one another and actually order them properly it is clear the Bible is using a solar calendar of 360 Days with 4 Intercalary/Seasonal Days which aren't counted as normal days during the year; and we see just how chaotic the lunar year is. On top of all this the Sun completes the 150 Days of Genesis 7:11 and 8:2-4 while the Moon only completes 145 Days: by this we know that each solar month is composed of 30 Days only as Moses doesn't reckon the 4 Intercalary/Seasonal Days found at the head of the 1st, 4th, 7th and 10th Months. Of course if you start the count of the Flood in the Lunar Year on the 17th Day of the 2nd Lunar Month there will have been 155 Days instead of the required 150 Days by Scripture.

WHEN DOES THE DAY BEGIN?
To answer this question properly one must understand how God defines a day:


"Then God commanded, 'Let there be light'—and light appeared. God was pleased with what he saw. Then he separated the light from the darkness, and he named the light 'Day' and the darkness 'Night.' Evening passed and morning came—that was the first day."
Genesis 1:3‭-‬5 GNTD

According to our modern reckoning of a "day" we falsely conclude that it is the exact same one God has defined, but this passage shows our definition to be incorrect for our modern definition mixes the periods of light and darkness together and counts them as a single twenty-four hour period...a stark departure from what the Son of God tells us the length is:

"Jesus said, 'A day has twelve hours, doesn't it? So those who walk in broad daylight do not stumble, for they see the light of this world. But if they walk during the night they stumble, because they have no light.'”
John 11:9‭-‬10 GNTD

We see then that the day is only associated with the light and that night is only associated with darkness and we must not mix these two together. Furthermore we also see that since God had to separate the light from the darkness they were mixed, and from this evidence we have three specific periods of time:

Day = Light = Morning to evening
Night = Darkness = Night to Night
Twilight = Light + Darkness = Time between Day and Night = Neither Day nor Night


While it is clear that God created the darkness first then the light: the day didn't actually begin until God separated the light from the darkness therefore the order of time is as follows:

  1. God creates the heavens and the earth.
  2. God creates the waters which cover the earth.
  3. God creates the darkness which covers the waters and the earth.
  4. God creates the light.
  5. God separates the light and the darkness which have mixed with one another.
  6. God defines day and night.
  7. Day 1 is concluded; Night comes and goes; the next morning is Day 2


Beginning of Day 1 to End of Day 1
Morning--->Midday--->Evening
[Twilight]
Beginning of Night 1 to End of Night 1

Early Night--->Midnight--->Late Night
[Twilight]
Beginning of Day 2
Morning

This same phenomena is true when you plot out the whole week which makes it clear that the formulaic phrase, "And there was evening and there was morning Day [X]" means that the morning was referring to the following day...

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ME|ME|ME|ME|ME|ME|ME


To conclude that the day begins at night is to contradict the clear definition given by God; and to say it begins in the evening is to defy all reason for simple observation will show that in nature the evening is connected to the light of day waning while the morning is connected to the light waxing, while midday is the brightest time of the day; and the plain reading of the text shows that the appearance of the light announces the beginning of the day. And as we can see from my illustrations this aligns perfectly with the narrative in Day 1 of Genesis and what we see in nature.

WHAT CALENDAR DID THE EARLY PATRIARCHS AND CHRIST FOLLOW?
Seeing that no man or woman existed prior to the creation of Adam we can safely conclude that none of the pagan or secular calendars which came into existence after the Tower of Babel were being used or established by God. Since this is so we can safely conclude that the calendar I described at length above was first followed by Adam, but the secrets and inner workings weren't handed down in writing until the time Enoch was taken up to heaven, and was kept as a closely guarded body of knowledge through his son Methuselah and on through Noah.

Of course many men still chose to go their own way and went astray so this brought about much evil and confusion in the world and ultimately the Flood; during these times writing was not widespread and many people were illiterate, so only the rich and powerful could read and write which is why according to the archaeological record we see many of the earliest writings coming from Babylon in cuneiform tablets, and why Egypt used hieroglyphs to communicate their knowledge; it wouldn't be until Moses that we first read of writing becoming widespread, and we can say that wherever the Hebrews dwelt they improved the societies generally speaking because God commanded in His own Law that His own people be educated in addition to being holy and set apart.

At the time of the Exodus we don't read of God telling Moses to follow the calendar of the Egyptians or that there was a need to adjust the calendar He gave him because of some heavenly or terrestrial event, but simply commanded him to observe His Holy Days on specific dates with no indication of their times changing as time went by. As we can clearly read from the history of the Hebrews the confusion and chaos always came about when they strayed from His words; this is especially the case during the end of Solomon's reign onwards which eventually led to their captivity in Babylon.

And we see them struggling again post Babylonian captivity; and, we read of this struggle and civil strife more fully in the books of the Maccabees where the unrighteous Jews who wanted to Hellenize themselves brought great trouble upon their own people for their own perosnal gain and ambition; and, by the time we reach the height of the Roman Empire and the birth of Christ there were many branches of Judaism active among the numerous sects of the pagans...and yet in the Gospels we have no indication from Christ that this same solar calendar of 364 Days had changed, for if it had we surely would've read of our Lord Christ rebuking the hypocritical religous leaders of His day, especially since He had no problem driving out merchants and cattle from conducting business in the Temple with a cord of whips.

From the writings we have prior to 70 AD the Jews are not following any lunar calendar, it's not until after the Second Temple is destroyed in 70 AD that we begin to see evidence of the Jews as a whole following a different calendar than the one established by God from creation: and this is also about the time when the rabbis begin to have more power over the people for they had no control over them when the Temple stood. Jose Ben Halafta when he was composing the Seder Olam Rabbah was the first to change the date of creation from -5470 BC according to the LXX to -3761 BC. And note carefully that rabbi Jose Ben Halafta is a disciple of rabbi Akiva, who himself is a gentile from Babylon and a descendant of Sisera the ancient enemy of Israel during the time of the judges: therefore rabbi Akiva was a gentile--not a Jew or Hebrew--and converted to the sect of the Pharisees. While we don't know what tribe the other Apostles descended from specifically we know that Paul was from Benjamin, and Yeshua was from Judah along with a major portion of His people, so we can say that they were all Israelites. Also when we look at the writings from Jews and Christians from the 1st Century we see no talk about any type of Jewish lunar calendar until Sextus Julius Africanus...and this is no suprise because rabbi Hillel II c. 325 AD changed the Hebrew calendar from solar to lunar and doubled down on the date of creation first given by rabbi Jose Ben Halfta in 160 AD. These calendar changes follow right in line with the corruption of the date of creation in the LXX and the text itself which is evidenced by the Seder Olam Rabbah and the Masoretic Text. So then without the Second Temple being destroyed the rabbis wouldn't have the influence they enjoy today over the people nor would the lunar calendar created by Hillel II exist; without the Seder Olam Rabbah the Masorteic Text wouldn't exist; and had Christ not come we wouldn't be trying to figure out when He was born and died, nor would many of the the Jews, who follow rabbinic Judaism instead of Biblical/Messianic Judaism, have any atagonism towards Him today.

CONCLUSION
I understand that many will not accept what I have presented which is to be expected as God gave everyone their own minds to choose what they wish to follow and believe in. Only those who have escaped or wish to escape Plato's Cave will see the truth for themselves.
 
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fall equinox is anniversary of earth.
Spring equinox begins count for feast days for religious year.
Earth was filled with the creation of water creatures, birds, beasts, creeping things - absolutely filled. Though Adam and Eve were created singly, not so all creatures. They filled the earth, and the trees were also filled with the fruits and nuts of their kinds, so that all the created kinds could eat immeditely, the foods they needed to flourish.
 
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I am not a Messianic Jew, but i will reply to you, once.
I tried to get through your little book, but though I am a speed reader, I. Ouldn't make it through all that, but I do want to say you could have saved yourself a lot of work by reading the Book of Enoch on the calendars God has set in the heavens, and not pne is lunar. His calendar of creation anniversary is fall equinox to equinox. His spring equinox calendar is the beginning
Hello sister and thanks for replying. This thread was created to answer the many questions a particular brother here who was flooding me with unrelated questions in a separate thread.

While it's a ton of detail I had to be this thorough in order to show that I didn't come to my conlcusions on YHWH using a solar calendar based upon weak evidence. Othwerwise I am glad you took some time to skim through this thread.
 
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Thank you H. Penny.
I started writing before I finished reading and on a tiny phone screen that jumps around as more ads are added to it. I deleted that cause It wasn't finished.
I see you are aware of Enoch's calendar, and that is good; a solar year of 364 days with the head of each season not counted in the days of the week as to their parts (18), but added at the end of the year to the number of days.
 
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Thank you H. Penny.
I started writing before I finished reading and on a tiny phone screen that jumps around as more ads are added to it. I deleted that cause It wasn't finished.
I see you are aware of Enoch's calendar, and that is good; a solar year of 364 days with the head of each season not counted in the days of the week as to their parts (18), but added at the end of the year to the number of days.
Yes that's the exact calendar I believe in sister. As for your phone viewing issues I apologize as I try my best to consider how my work would look on a smart phone, but in the end I found that if one doesn't have a tablet my work is best viewed horizontally or in landscape mode.
 
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Just for fun, H. Penny, for my for real anniversary of my birth, I count the days before fall equinox back to the day I was born, in the year I was born, to come to my real anniversary of birth.
In the real calendar that God made in the heavens, the anniversary of every event happening always occurs on the same day of the week.
Carry on, won't bother you more
 
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Just for fun, H. Penny, for my for real anniversary of my birth, I count the days before fall equinox back to the day I was born, in the year I was born, to come to my real anniversary of birth.
In the real calendar that God made in the heavens, the anniversary of every event happening always occurs on the same day of the week.
Carry on, won't bother you more
No worries sister no bother at all. You actually reminded me with your birthday comment that I need to recalcualte my birthday in order to see when I was truly born. Remebering that our bodies are the Temples of God is serious work and it's a good reminder to be renewing our minds daily by thinking on higher things.
 
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And speaking of Adam it is a huge misconception that he was either Hebrew or Jewish, and this same erroneous conclusion is used to determine the ethnicity of Moses, Jacob and his twleve sons, Isaac, Abraham, etc. From here we must ask ourselves, "What is the difference between nationality and ethnicity?" Nationality deals with the place one is born whereas ethnicity is concened with the people group one is descended from; in our modern day we are used to using the terms Hebrew, Jew, and Israeli interchangeabley but, if we are to be precise and use them correctly:

Israel = Nation
Jew = Judah = Tribe
Hebrew = Ethnicity


So then every Israelite is a Hebrew, but not every Hebrew is an Israelite or a Jew. Proof of this may be seen in the story of Jacob who was given a second name Israel by God, and his fourth son Judah is where the term Jew comes from: and becuase Jacob has twelve sons we know that there are twelve tribes of Israel, and it is these tribes which make up the nation of Israel; what's more Jacob and his sons are all Hebrew because they all descend from Abraham who was the first to be called a Hebrew; and they are called Hebrews because of their great ancestor Heber/Eber who is descended from Shem; and, Shem's name in Greek is spelled Sem and is where we get the term semite. From this evidence we see that prior to Jacob being born there were no Jews or Israelites to speak of, but only Hebrews; and when we go back to Shem we see that he himself was not a Hebrew, nor was Noah, all the way back to Adam. So then what language did everyone speak prior to the Flood? This question may be answered by asking a different question, "What language are the first ten generations before the Flood written in?" The simple answer is Hebrew, so it is not suprising that God continued His narrative through Abraham the Hebrew, and recorded it in Hebrew through Moses.
HP you really combined two major topics in this thread. :)

I just want first to address this:
"Abraham who was the first to be called a Hebrew; and they are called Hebrews because of their great ancestor Heber/Eber who is descended from Shem"
It has been my understanding that the reason that Abraham was called a Hebrew was because he 'crossed over'. Some believe that meant he crossed over the great rivers (which he did) but I believe it means something deeper.

Abram was born in Ever-haNahar which means 'beyond the river'.
 
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HP you really combined two major topics in this thread. :)

I just want first to address this:
"Abraham who was the first to be called a Hebrew; and they are called Hebrews because of their great ancestor Heber/Eber who is descended from Shem"
It has been my understanding that the reason that Abraham was called a Hebrew was because he 'crossed over'. Some believe that meant he crossed over the great rivers (which he did) but I believe it means something deeper.

Abram was born in Ever-haNahar which means 'beyond the river'.
Hello sister Lulav great to hear from you! To address your first point I couldn't help but discuss both of these topics because they are closely tied to one another, so I saw the need to address the understanding of nationality and ethnicity so that people might better appreciate the nuances of Scripture. As to your second point on the word Hebrew it is true that the word itself means "to cross over" as you correctly pointed out, at the same time the root of the word is traced back to Heber/Eber; and as regards the birthplace of Abraham it's also accurate as Babylon was beyond the Euphrates river.

So I have come to understand that the deeper meaning behind the word Hebrew is that God is calling His people to cross over from Darkness into the Light; from Death unto Life; from Bondage unto Freedom; from Babylon into the Promised Land.
 
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So then every Israelite is a Hebrew, but not every Hebrew is an Israelite or a Jew.
"Jew" Is derogatory slang for Judah or the descendants of Judah. Compared to the descendants of Israel. Israel had the northern part and Judah the southern part. All of the sons of Jacob were given a place in the promised land except for the Levi, the priests that served in the temple.

Hebrew means to cross over the river. This talks about Abraham who was the first to leave the Tigris Euphrates River valley. He was given all of the Arab Continental Plate. 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. He had to physically walk all the way around his land to claim it for his descendants. Mostly his inheritance is under the control of the descendants of Ishmael, the son of Hagar the Egyptian Handmaid of Sarah. At some point in time, it will all become the New Jerusalem.
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"Jew" Is derogatory slang for Judah or the descendants of Judah. Compared to the descendants of Israel. Israel had the northern part and Judah the southern part. All of the sons of Jacob were given a place in the promised land except for the Levi, the priests that served in the temple.

Hebrew means to cross over the river. This talks about Abraham who was the first to leave the Tigris Euphrates River valley. He was given all of the Arab Continental Plate. 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. He had to physically walk all the way around his land to claim it for his descendants. Mostly his inheritance is under the control of the descendants of Ishmael, the son of Hagar the Egyptian Handmaid of Sarah. At some point in time, it will all become the New Jerusalem.
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If we count a Greek stadion as 660 feet, (which is highly debatable), then 1,500 miles would be 12,000 stadia. Perhaps Rev 21:16 is symbolically foretelling that the whole Middle East would become the base of the New Yerushalem? Perhaps, in other words, all-inclusive: whosoever will come, (but of course according to the prescribed way, drinking of the water of life, Rev 22:17, John 7:37-39).
 
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"Jew" Is derogatory slang for Judah or the descendants of Judah. Compared to the descendants of Israel. Israel had the northern part and Judah the southern part. All of the sons of Jacob were given a place in the promised land except for the Levi, the priests that served in the temple.

Hebrew means to cross over the river. This talks about Abraham who was the first to leave the Tigris Euphrates River valley. He was given all of the Arab Continental Plate. 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. He had to physically walk all the way around his land to claim it for his descendants. Mostly his inheritance is under the control of the descendants of Ishmael, the son of Hagar the Egyptian Handmaid of Sarah. At some point in time, it will all become the New Jerusalem.
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Interesting thread here...but yeah don't know enough to say anything other than that this man recently passed away I found out recently--if you didn't know--so you'll never hear a response back from him.
 
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Abram was born in Ever-haNahar which means 'beyond the river'.
Abraham was a Chaldean from the city of Ur. Genesis 11:31 "Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan."
 
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Hello sister Lulav great to hear from you! To address your first point I couldn't help but discuss both of these topics because they are closely tied to one another, so I saw the need to address the understanding of nationality and ethnicity so that people might better appreciate the nuances of Scripture. As to your second point on the word Hebrew it is true that the word itself means "to cross over" as you correctly pointed out, at the same time the root of the word is traced back to Heber/Eber; and as regards the birthplace of Abraham it's also accurate as Babylon was beyond the Euphrates river.

So I have come to understand that the deeper meaning behind the word Hebrew is that God is calling His people to cross over from Darkness into the Light; from Death unto Life; from Bondage unto Freedom; from Babylon into the Promised Land.
HP, I know you are beyond the worries of participating here and I pray you are at rest in Messiahs arms.

For those coming upon this thread I thought I'd add something to what you said here.

The deeper meaning you describe actually coincides with the word used, Abram was called out of Ur, when you look up that word in Hebrew it is related to 'Or' or 'Ur' which means flame or fire. Related to Light but I think the meaning of fire is more appropriate as the darkness can be related to fire (hell, etc) This was traditionally held to be a place of much pagan worship and there are traditions of Abram destroying his fathers shop of idols.
 
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INTRODUCTION
As I have been growing and walking with the Lord it saddens me that there are so many brothers and sisters in the Lord who are fast asleep, and lack a basic understanding of God's Word: and this is very apparent when dealing with the exact calendar God established at creation. Why is this? Well when people do not have God as their basic starting point for everything then they fail to ask basic questions, and in the end don't have the basic answers they're looking for...and I should know because I too was once a part of those in Plato's Cave. This thread will serve as an introduction to ask these basic and important questions, so that the answers which follow will be clear. This thread is not an exhaustive account of every single type of calendar out their as that would be a foolish thing to try and cover. Instead we will start with the Truth and prove it biblically, and from there everything which departs from the Truth of God's Word, whether small or great, is considered false.

The first principle of the "exact calendar" established at creation is that a yom is not always the same thing when speaking in terms of incremental time, for yom is light, just as Elohim calls the light Yom in Gen 1:5, (not Day). And if yom is light then yom is not necessarily time: but if and when it is used for an increment of time it can be used for any increment of time because yom is light according to the Testimony of Elohim in Gen 1:5.

If therefore yom can be a day, and we know from the scripture that one day can be as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day, then again, this is more evidence that yom can be any increment of time because yom is not time but light. Moreover, if yom can be a day, and if yom can be a thousand years, then yom may certainly be an hour. This is the likely meaning of the curious statement we find in Gen 2:4.

In Genesis 2:4 we first read ha·shamayim and ha·aretz, with the article attached, but then secondly we read Eretz and Shamayim without the article. This tells us that the second portion contains proper nouns, the names Eretz and Shamayim, which are only found before this statement, (without the article attached), in the opening creation account where Elohim names them, (proper nouns are already emphatic in Hebrew and do not generally tolerate the definite article).

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[04] These are the toldot ha·shamayim and ha·aretz in their having been created, in the yom wherein YHWH Elohim made Eretz and Shamayim:

However the text says in the yom, singular, wherein Eretz and Shamayim were made. But when we go back to the opening section we see that Shamayim and Eretz are not made in the same yom. The raqiya or firmament is named Shamayim in Yom Sheni, (second Yom), while the yabbashah or dry land is named Eretz in Yom Shelishi, (third Yom).

Yom Sheni:

Breshiyt-Genesis 1:8
[08] And Elohim called the raqiya, Shamayim: and there is evening, and there is morning, Yom Sheni.

Yom Shelishi:

Breshiyt-Genesis 1:10
[10] And Elohim called the yabbashah, Eretz, and the mikweh of the waters he called Yamim: and Elohim looked thereon for good.

Genesis 2:4 thus informs the observant reader that there are multiple yamim in the yom wherein the heavens and the earth and all their host are created. We read also in Exodus 20:11 that in six yamim Adonai made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is within them, and in the seventh yom He rested: therefore He blessed Yom ha·Shabbat, and sanctified it, (holy and set apart).

Thus we see that there is a sacred calendar day of seven yamim in a yom in the opening creation account, and these seven yamim are seven yamim-hours in the one yom-day wherein Elohim made the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is within them. These seven hours in a sacred calendar day are complete when the Shabbat yom-hour of the yom-day is concluded. Every day of the year contains a mini-week of seven hours which is completed with the Shabbat hour of the day. Sefer Daniel calls these weeks shabuim, and specifically, in Daniel 10:2-3, shabuim yamim. This however does not nullify the weekly full Shabbat in the seventh civil calendar day of the normal week of twenty-four hour days: for there is also a civil calendar day which is twelve hours, and it is fully expounded in Numbers 7 by the same logic and principle we see in Genesis 2:4.

The seven-hour sacred calendar day is the foundation of the calendar established in the opening creation account, and its seven yamim-hours in a yom-day align with the hours of the prayer times, which also fit within the twelve-hour civil calendar day.
 
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The first principle of the "exact calendar" established at creation is that a yom is not always the same thing when speaking in terms of incremental time, for yom is light, just as Elohim calls the light Yom in Gen 1:5, (not Day). And if yom is light then yom is not necessarily time: but if and when it is used for an increment of time it can be used for any increment of time because yom is light according to the Testimony of Elohim in Gen 1:5.
I'm still processing the rest of what you wrote in this post. I don't yet fully understand it.

However, according to this portion of your post, does not the English speaking world apply the same use of the word "day" today?

A day can be a 24 hour period, which includes the night; or a day and be the period of daylight hours. That period of daylight hours varies throughout the seasons. Although these periods vary in length, when compared to a nuclear clock; each one is still a defined period of time.

In Gen 1:5 YHWH called the lighted portion of the 24 hour day, day, just as we do today.
 
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I'm still processing the rest of what you wrote in this post. I don't yet fully understand it.

However, according to this portion of your post, does not the English speaking world apply the same use of the word "day" today?

A day can be a 24 hour period, which includes the night; or a day and be the period of daylight hours. That period of daylight hours varies throughout the seasons. Although these periods vary in length, when compared to a nuclear clock; each one is still a defined period of time.

In Gen 1:5 YHWH called the lighted portion of the 24 hour day, day, just as we do today.

Regarding your final statement: who says there was a lighted portion of a 24 hour day in Gen 1:5? And what about John 1:1-9 which is a companion passage to Genesis 1? What is the true light which enlightens every man coming into the world? Is that sunlight? Moreover what about the statement which Paul makes in 2 Cor 4:6? He compares the light therein with the knowledge of the truth, (the light of the knowledge of the glory of Elohim in the countenance/presence of Meshiah).

These are of course rhetorical questions, not to try to stump you, but to attempt to point you to scripture which I believe impacts our understanding of the true Light. The true Light, (Yom), is much more important than sunlight, and the sons of the Light are sons of the Yom-Light-Truth. The greater light and the lesser light are not created until the fourth Yom, and thus, they are created in the Yom, and therefore Yom is greater, (preeminent). Moreover in Paul's testimony concerning his conversion on the way to Dameshek he says that he saw a light brighter than the sun at midday, (Acts 26:13).
 
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Regarding your final statement: who says there was a lighted portion of a 24 hour day in Gen 1:5? And what about John 1:1-9 which is a companion passage to Genesis 1? What is the true light which enlightens every man coming into the world? Is that sunlight? Moreover what about the statement which Paul makes in 2 Cor 4:6? He compares the light therein with the knowledge of the truth, (the light of the knowledge of the glory of Elohim in the countenance/presence of Meshiah).

These are of course rhetorical questions, not to try to stump you, but to attempt to point you to scripture which I believe impacts our understanding of the true Light. The true Light, (Yom), is much more important than sunlight, and the sons of the Light are sons of the Yom-Light-Truth. The greater light and the lesser light are not created until the fourth Yom, and thus, they are created in the Yom, and therefore Yom is greater, (preeminent). Moreover in Paul's testimony concerning his conversion on the way to Dameshek he says that he saw a light brighter than the sun at midday, (Acts 26:13).
I'm going to retract everything that I had said. I should have looked more carefully. The sun and the moon had not been mentioned yet. The day and the night preexisted sunlight and moonlight. Interesting.
 
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