What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So if you want to find out you do the back tracking. If you want us to know repeat yourself, maybe even provide a link. Otherwise you're only harassing others.

You are harassing. Non sequitur is a well known phrase with a well known meaning. Live with it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What exactly is listening to you? Is listening to you ignoring the NT? Does listening to you mean taking your position as mine? The days when I had to kowtow have past.

Deuteronomy 1:26-38; Psalm 95:6-11; Hebrews 3 ... - Bible Study Tools

https://www.biblestudytools.com/passage/?q=deuteronomio+1:26...95...
7 So, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you hear his voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness, ...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Tell that to Dr. Peter Schafer, who is also an Orthodox Jewish scholar.
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Rabbi Singer is also a Jewish scholar, author and has lectured extensively. But I don't really care. I only posted a quote from Hillel...he died in 10 AD...you are making something simple into a huge mountain...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

you are making something simple into a huge mountain...

That seems to be the purpose of most threads throughout the forum / site.

 

[Saint Steven]

I would if you would read the entire thread...I used "literally" in the informal...meaning "mostly". My point was that Yeshua never left Israel proper, other than when He was a child in Egypt...

What does reading the entire thread (as if I haven't) have to do with you owning up to what you wrote?

Here's what you said:
"LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant"

To which I replied:
"I guess you have some serious issues with geography too.
Check a map for these locations:
Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, Colossi... "

 

[ace of hearts]

Good .

And who do those who are born again by the will of the Father from heaven follow ?
DO they still follow hasatan,
or DO they follow Jesus ?

What specifically is the will of the Father to you?

If one is posts in this section they admit they're born again because one can't be a Christian unless they're born again. So how does one who is born again follow satan?

So I've a question for you - Why are you asking if some follow satan? Is it because they disagree with you and don't keep the law?

Are you also Yeshua HaDerekh?

 

[ace of hearts]

That is because you do not understand it so you ridicule it...the blue "cords" were tekhelet tzitzit made from the Chilazon...it has been lost for over 1000 years...

No I ask a specific question about the law which applies to all males who are subject to the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

Listen, is it OK to murder, steal, commit adultery, etc? Do you do these things? Do you promote them? If not, then you follow the law. Simple...

Your insistence that not murdering, stealing, committing adultery is following the law doesn't hold for those who aren't religious yet perform in the same manner because their reference isn't Scripture based.

 

[ace of hearts]

Your referring to the Jews that didn’t understand Judaism and rejected their own foretold Messiah. There is also the Messianic Jews who actually believe and understand Judaism the correct way.

It's true someone who is born an Israeli (Jew) is still a Jew (Israeli) upon becoming a Christian. So I'm not trying to void their heritage. But in Jesus Christ (Christianity) there's no Jew (Israeli) nor gentile (non-Isreali/Jew).

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

This being true there is no Israel or covenant made at Sinai in Christianity. What's called the law isn't part of Christianity. I do understand most churches try very hard to make the law part of Christianity. It's a major reason I'm no longer participating in the IC (institutional church). No person is my covering. Jesus is my covering and only hope.

 

[ace of hearts]

That is taking one piece of the message and forming a doctrine but what about the beginning of the message in the beginning of the same chapter? Does this not teach that obedience is necessary to being a child of God before continuing on to verse 23?

“Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.”
‭‭1 JOHN‬ ‭3:2-10‬ ‭NASB‬‬

I invited you to pick apart 1 Jn 3:23. You said nothing except that I'm ignoring Scripture (1 Jn 3:2-10). NTL not a single thing in your quote mentions keeping the law. The same holds true for 1 Jn 3:23. So if one believes 1 Jn 3:23, how can they practice sin?

 

[ace of hearts]

What does reading the entire thread (as if I haven't) have to do with you owning up to what you wrote?

Here's what you said:
"LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant"

To which I replied:
"I guess you have some serious issues with geography too.
Check a map for these locations:
Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, Colossi... "

You're not the only one who wonders about this. All I can say is they don't seem to respond to anything said. Yes they quote a post. That's not responding to anything.

 

[ace of hearts]

Israel is broken off of Israel...not all were broken off, you need to read it again

Who is broke off and why?

 

[ace of hearts]

I guess you never read Romans 11 either...oh well

Are you grafted in or no? Those laws were already in existence before Sinai and you know it.

Graft into what?

No where have you responded to this other than this general reference, nor have you said what you think I misunderstand.

Yes I understand what you're attempting to convey without saying. However I need you to plainly state what the Christian is graft into.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because of the content of this forum I've having difficulty with what you claim to be saying. What are you calling Jewish law? What commandments of God are you talking about? Some of God's commandments are no longer required because one covenant was replaced entirely by a totally different covenant.

No what I mean is there is a difference between the actual commandments of God and the Mosaic law. The Jews added stipulations to the Mosaic Law that were not specifically defined in God’s commandments. For example God’s commandment concerning the sabbath was that we should work 6 days and we must rest on the 7th day. The Jews made the decision to define what is considered to be work so they would not disobey God’s commandment. So they made things like cooking food or harvesting grain illegal according to the law because they considered that work. These were not actual commandments of God but they were put in place to help everyone understand what is considered to be work. There are many more examples but I’m not familiar with all of them. I would add tho that Jesus allowed His disciples to pick grain on the sabbath and did not rebuke them. Instead He actually defended them against the Pharisees. Which to mean indicates that the Mosaic law is not actually 100% correct on what is considered to be a sin.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What does reading the entire thread (as if I haven't) have to do with you owning up to what you wrote?

Here's what you said:
"LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant"

To which I replied:
"I guess you have some serious issues with geography too.
Check a map for these locations:
Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, Colossi... "

Because if you read what I was responding to, you would see my response in context

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Your insistence that not murdering, stealing, committing adultery is following the law doesn't hold for those who aren't religious yet perform in the same manner because their reference isn't Scripture based.

Read what Paul says about that

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No I ask a specific question about the law which applies to all males who are subject to the law.

And I gave you a very specific answer

 

[Saint Steven]

Because if you read what I was responding to, you would see my response in context

Context will never correct anyone's issues with geography, or thoughtless statements.
Only magnifies them.

We should magnify the Lord instead.
Be blessed in Yeshua today, my brother.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Context will never correct anyone's issues with geography, or thoughtless statements.
Only magnifies them.

We should magnify the Lord instead.
Be blessed in Yeshua today, my brother.

Within the context of the discussion, my statement was not thoughtless nor did it have issues with geography.

 

[Saint Steven]

Within the context of the discussion, my statement was not thoughtless nor did it have issues with geography.

One more time then.

Here's what you said:
"LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant"

To which I replied:
"I guess you have some serious issues with geography too.
Check a map for these locations:
Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, Colossi... "