What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Tone]

John 5:45
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

John 5:43-45
"I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?"

John 5:46
"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."

He spoke this to unbelievers. They only said they believed Moses, but they really didn't. Therefore, they were trusting in their carnal understanding of the Law, which led to the adding to and taking from it (leaven). Their hopes were set on the letter of the law so they couldn't see Who it to pointed to. There were others (such as Simeon Luke 2:25-32) who saw it properly.

 

[BNR32FAN]

One doesn't need to understand Judaism to understand the Gospel. I agree the OT is the foretelling of Christianity. That doesn't make Christianity Judaism.

I agree I’m just saying Christianity is the continuation of Judaism.

 

[ace of hearts]

Do you hear what you are saying?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yes I do. Adherents of Judaism haven't accepted the Messiah.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes I do. Adherents of Judaism haven't accepted the Messiah.

Messianic Jews have the correct understanding of Judaism. The apostles were Messianic Jews. They taught Judaism in the proper context.

 

[ace of hearts]

Your referring to the Jews that didn’t understand Judaism and rejected their own foretold Messiah. There is also the Messianic Jews who actually believe and understand Judaism the correct way.

MJ invaded a church I attended for years. I'm familiar with them. So I suppose you want to say I'm not familiar with your specific splinter group. That's fine by me.

 

[ace of hearts]

I would say the belief in Yeshua is the continuation of Biblical Judaism...

OK by me. That continuation is called Christianity which is drastically different with a different covenant.

 

[BNR32FAN]

MJ invaded a church I attended for years. I'm familiar with them. So I suppose you want to say I'm not familiar with your specific splinter group. That's fine by me.

What were they teaching?

 

[ace of hearts]

I gave you His own words...it is not my problem you don't understand them

That's unfounded personal opinion.

 

[ace of hearts]

No one has said that...that is your problem

No you promote the law.

 

[Halbhh]

The 10 commandments are not the law of Moses they are commandments of God given to Moses. Matthew 7:21-23 these people were believers who performed miracles in Jesus’ name but lived a sinful life. They did not abide in Christ and He did not abide in them.

And as we see in the connecting word "therefore" or "then" (various translations), verse 24 is the continuation of verse 23. And we can see how verses 24-27 are the key message of the full passage of 21-27, explaining clearly what is the "lawlessness" (or "iniquity") that will lead to death.

 

[Tone]

What does the text say?

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Yes, it results in bondage to sin, because of the unbelieving hearts of man.

 

[ace of hearts]

You still haven’t addressed Matthew 7:21-23

I asked you if you wanted to discuss verse 21. If you need me to discuss it first you're only arguing. You presented the reference, so I see it as your obligation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What were they teaching?

Your eyes are shut. You simply refuse to accept what you have been shown in the scriptures. That’s why you won’t comment on John 3 or Matthew 7. You really need to take another look from a different perspective outside of Martin Luther’s teachings.

 

[ace of hearts]

John 5:43-45
"I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?"

John 5:46
"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me."

He spoke this to unbelievers. They only said they believed Moses, but they really didn't. Therefore, they were trusting in their carnal understanding of the Law, which led to the adding to and taking from it (leaven). Their hopes were set on the letter of the law so they couldn't see Who it to pointed to. There were others (such as Simeon Luke 2:25-32) who saw it properly.

If they believed Moses they would have recognized their Messiah.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And as we see in the connecting word "therefore" or "then" (various translations), verse 24 is the continuation of verse 23. And we can see how verses 24-27 are the key message of the full passage of 21-27, explaining clearly what is the "lawlessness" that will lead to death.

Yes hearing His words but not acting on them. Yes I agree.

“"Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell-and great was its fall."”
‭‭MATTHEW‬ ‭7:24-27‬ ‭NASB‬‬

 

[ace of hearts]

I agree I’m just saying Christianity is the continuation of Judaism.

Essentially you're saying to me there's no Christianity.

 

[ace of hearts]

Messianic Jews have the correct understanding of Judaism. The apostles were Messianic Jews. They taught Judaism in the proper context.

Sorry but I'm not converting.

 

[ace of hearts]

What were they teaching?

You're one and you ask me what they teach. Now that's a good one.

 

[Halbhh]

Don't forget that the Tower of Babel still affects us all, so that even with someone that uses english just the way I do, even is from my own city or area of the country, that we still cannot perfectly understand each other, and tend to not get quite exactly what a person is saying (we sometimes get some parts, but even then we each have differing senses of what it means also), and so we want to remember there is an imperfect communication normally. Especially by brief text messages.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I asked you if you wanted to discuss verse 21. If you need me to discuss it first you're only arguing. You presented the reference, so I see it as your obligation.

I’m sorry I misunderstood you. I thought you were going to explain it. I think it’s pretty self explanatory. I suppose instead of continuing what He said in this chapter you would prefer to jump to another like John 6 for example?