What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[ace of hearts]

OK, you are referring the following as the commandments we need to be concerned about, correct?

"Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

•  Matthew 22:35-40 KJV

And if that is correct as it appears to be, what do you think the last line there means? as in:

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Of course it means that all the law, the 10 comments being that or part of that law, are covered if we love God with all our heart, and love our neighbor. Meaning the commandments are still right there among it all.

I can't speak for her, but I can speak for myself. No I don't. Can you show them as commandments of Jesus? All I see is Jesus have a discussion about the law in Mat 22:35-40.

 

[ace of hearts]

Then you agree the 10 commandments are still alive and well?

Yes

1 Tim 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

 

[ace of hearts]

I think your on track now, the opposite is always true. Your not under the law until you sin then you are doomed.

The law of sin and death reigns over grace.

Must be something wrong with my screen.

 

[ace of hearts]

The reason why I wasn't arrested today and am currently not in jail is because I didn't break the law...so I'm not under it. But, believe me, it is alive and well and ready to pounce.

But you're controlled by the aw through fear of punishment. If the law has control by any means you're under it.

 

[klutedavid]

Must be something wrong with my screen.

Just joking.

 

[ace of hearts]

The law of Christ is bound to the old law.

How?

 

[ace of hearts]

Just joking.

 

[Dkh587]

Then Christ who fulfilled the Law died for nothing!

Fulfilling the law is something every follower of the Messiah can do, and should be doing every day - Romans 13:8-10

 

[ace of hearts]

I'm saying that I am not under the law, because, in Messiah, I am obedient to it.

I used civil law as an example. For instance, you didn't kill (thou shalt not kill) anyone today, which is why you aren't under penal code 187 (the law), correct?

No, that's only why that code of the law isn't administered.

 

[ace of hearts]

So what does your being free from..."thou shall not kill" look like?

How about "thou shall not have any mighty ones before Me"?

Jn 13:34

 

[ace of hearts]

The time for comprehensive confession of all known sin is right after receiving Christ as Saviour. We know that faith in Christ saves us, and so the confession of all known sin is the essential first step in the sanctification process. This is not that we start to try and reform ourselves - something we cannot do without ending up being self-righteous. But discussing the sins with God fulfills 1 John 1:9, and as soon as we confess them, God forgives, cleanses and forgets that we ever sinned in those areas. This can be a real cleansing process and the lightness, joy and relief is so real afterward. It is not enough to say, "God forgive me all my sins". We have to name them before God one by one, and if we need to make restitution to someone we have wronged, we do our best to do it.

For example, when I left one city, I had photos that I had put into the shop for developing which I never collected. Two years later, the Holy Spirit reminded me of them, and I contacted the shop, paid for the photos and had them posted to me.

If we have a known sin that we are refusing to discuss with God, then it may be that we are not fully converted to Christ. This is because we cannot hold on to sin and have Christ as well. We may be saved as of by fire, but there will be a blockage in the Spirit for us until we get it right with God.

It is not so much that the converted heart is deceitful and wicked, but the devil is very much so, and he can give prompts to cause us to believe that the particular sin is not so serious and we can take our time getting it right; or that when we need to go and get something right with someone we have wronged, the devil may tempt us to procrastinate and intensify the sense of embarassment and fear - which is basically pride preventing us to humbling going to someone and telling that we were wrong in what we did to them.

Having said that, it may not be possible to go to a person when we have lost contact with them, and the Holy Spirit understands this. But we can pray that the Holy Spirit organise a way to contact if He thinks it is critically important that we put it right.

But certainly, if we have stolen from or cheated someone, we should make every effort to pay them back what we have stolen from them.

The main deception from the devil is to make light of the need to confess every known sin and to request the Holy Spirit to hook out hidden and forgotten sins, in the same way that my ginger ninja cat (the one on the left of the post) can hook cockroaches out of places I would never know were there.

The other deception is once we discover sins that need to be confessed, we try to get the victory over them in our own strength instead of doing nothing about them in the flesh and trusting the Holy Spirit to work in us to enable us to forsake them.

Life must be a miserable affair for one with such fear.

 

[ace of hearts]

Jesus would not have told us the commandments/law are all contained within Jesus's 2 commandments if the 10 commandments/law did not matter.

If you disagree, please tell me what the last line in bold here does mean?

, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

This is a discussion Jesus had with Jews about the law. This isn't any commandments of Jesus.

 

[ace of hearts]

I'm quoting from the scripture that entails Jesus's 2 commandments, or, the subject. But, ok, forget all that and just tell me what it means? It means something, right?

I've given you every possible chance here....thanks anyway.

Those 2 commandments don't entail any of Jesus' commandments.

 

[ace of hearts]

Heb 8:6-11 says it is Jesus that is speaking the TEN Commandments.

You're mistaken.

Matthew 19 - Jesus quotes from the TEN Commandments

Indeed Jesus does. Now how do you link them as commandments of Jesus? Jesus didn't give them.

Paul says the Commandments being used are the ones where "the 5th commandment is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

So what's your point? What about Paul's next comment in verse 3?

 

[ace of hearts]

I don't understand your question.

Did Jesus give those 2 commandments? If so where?

 

[ace of hearts]

and what would be perfection ... to be sinless ... what is sin? transgression of the law.

Being in Jesus. Sin is also transgression of the law. Sin was before the law (Rom 5:13) and the reason the law was added (Gal 3:19).

 

[Dkh587]

I'm quoting from the scripture that entails Jesus's 2 commandments, or, the subject. But, ok, forget all that and just tell me what it means? It means something, right?

I've given you every possible chance here....thanks anyway.

For clarification, the 2 commandments that the Messiah gave are not his, nor are they new.

He was teaching from the law of God and upholding it. Him quoting the 2 commandments is proof that he taught the law of God, because to obey those 2 is to obey the law of God.

 

[ace of hearts]

You did not address the post and the scriptures in the post that address your OP. Your claim is that God's 10 commandments are abolished right? The post and the scriptures provided to you disagree with you.

No, it's you I disagree with. The Scripture you present is your doctrine you think agrees with Scripture. You take your idea to the Scripture looking for anything that you can remotely apply to your cause. My Father has been very kind to me by delivering me from religion. I'm covered by Jesus and have no relationship with the law a dead husband.

 

[ace of hearts]

Please read my response to Oscarr's post you just replied to. Do you agree with mine, or what do you believe and why? (scriptures) You saying that "John provides an escapte for when we sin" is puzzling, and I don't see that at all. He did show how to become a Christian in 1 John 1:9, but that is in answer to our repentance when Christ then cleanses us from ALL SIN. He then goes on in chapter three to show that we do not continue to sin.

I don't mean John says sin is OK. John provides a way to make things right if an when we do. Even Paul had a problem. See Rom 7. A sin doesn't void our salvation. It may dirty our robe of righteousness. We have a way to wash it. Yes I agree a Christian doesn't practice sin especially as a life style.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, it's you I disagree with. The Scripture you present is your doctrine you think agrees with Scripture. You take your idea to the Scripture looking for anything that you can remotely apply to your cause. My Father has been very kind to me by delivering me from religion. I'm covered by Jesus and have no relationship with the law a dead husband.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. God's WORD is not my word. You post your own words over God's WORD. God's WORD disagrees with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4