What commandments is Jesus talking about?

LoveGodsWord · Mar 1, 2019

Oscarr said:
The Ten Commandments show the Christian believer the guidelines of what God considers as righteous living. In the OT, people were expected to follow them as an outward set of rules. Because they failed, they had to offer sacrifices for their sins to keep them right with God.

God's people in the OLD TESTAMENT were saved in the same way we are in the NEW TESTAMENT and that is by FAITH *HEBREWS 11. Only difference was in the process. In the OLD TESTAMENT if someone sinned they would have to provide sin offerings and animal sacrifces that pointed to JESUS *JOHN 1:29 in the NEW COVENANT. It was by FAITH that those in the OLD COVENANT were forgiven their sins just like we are in the NEW COVENANT. Main difference here is that God's people in the OLD COVENANT looked forward to the coming Saviour in JESUS while we look back to what Christ has done for us through his blood we are reconciled to Christ. God has always had people in the OLD COVENANT that BELIEVED and FOLLOWED his WORD by faith.

HEBREWS 11

GENESIS 26:5 [5], Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

GENESIS 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

GENESIS 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

2 KINGS 2:11 [11], And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Oscarr said:
Christ kept the Law perfectly, not for us, but for Himself, otherwise He would have been a transgressor like all the rest of us, and could never have been our sinless substitute. Because He kept the Law perfectly, and then took the punishment for us not keeping it. We are no longer subject to punishment for our failure to keep the Law. In fact, if we try to keep the Law in any form, we bring a curse upon ourselves, and totally negate everything that Christ has done for us.

Most of your post I agree with. We are saved by Grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. Can you explain yourself further here brother? Sounds like your saying that once we come to Christ we are once saved always saved even if we choose to go back to a life of sin. In your view if a Born again Christian decides to forsake God and returns to a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a saved state before God or an UNSAVED state before God? Are you saying that we are saved while continue in sin? Are you saying that JESUS cannot save us from our sins?

Oscarr said:
Therefore, we receive Christ by faith and put our whole trust in Him for our salvation, abandoning any trust we might have in ourselves to be able to make us acceptable to God. We are only acceptable to God by faith in Christ. This is not to say that the Law is not good. It is good, and holy. That is why Jesus kept it perfectly the whole of His life on earth. It was our sinfulness that caused us to fail, not the Law itself. But we don't have to outwardly keep the Law any longer, because Jesus kept it, and the substituted Himself as the person to be punished for our failure to keep it. He was punished instead of us, setting us free from any obligation to try and keep the Law ourselves. This does not mean that we can do as we like and go on freely sinning. We confess all known sin to God, and then rest in the work of the Holy Spirit to work sanctification in us. We align our will to God's will and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us in the way He wants us to go. This means that we grow in grace and holiness day by day as the Holy Spirit does His work in us.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

RIGHTESOUSNESS comes from LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW and the very expression of what LOVE is *ROMANS 13:8-10. He that does not LOVE does not KNOW GOD for GOD IS LOVE * 1 JOHN 4:8. All those who are BORN AGAIN have a NEW HEART TO LOVE and FOLLOW GOD *1 JOHN 4:7. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Those who are BORN AGAIN do not practice SIN (breaking God's Commandments) *1 JOHN 3:4-9. This is why JOHN finishes on this subject by saying; For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous *1 JOHN 5:3 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me KEEP my commandments *JOHN 14:15. UNLESS we are BORN AGAIN under the NEW COVENANT to LOVE we will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. We need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT.

God bless

LoveGodsWord · Mar 1, 2019

ace of hearts said:
What exactly does this statement mean?

Please read the post you are responding to.

1stcenturylady · Mar 1, 2019

Oscarr said:
But, when Paul says that the things he wants to do in his heart, he cannot do because there is the law of sin and death in his flesh causing him to do things he doesn't want to do - these shortcomings and failures are not the "sin" that is defined as rebellion against God. They are more in relation to "transgressions" and in terms of us being unable to keep the Law in our own strength.

Herein lies the problem. You are reading Romans 7:14-23 out of context. That describes those under the law - without the Spirit. They aren't saved, but under the Old Covenant. Their problem was SIN, because of not being born again of the Spirit. They could only obey the letter of the law, but their sin nature caused them to be double minded. The previous verses shows you the context, and then chapter 8 shows how to be free of the law by obey the Spirit.

Romans 7:
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Sin’s Advantage in the Law

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Law Cannot Save from Sin

13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.

Romans 8 - Spirit

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

eleos1954 · Mar 1, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
You are talking by the flesh as if the flesh (carnal nature) is the same as the flesh (body of bone and muscle).

The body of bone and muscle dies. But the carnal nature is born again of the Spirit when you repent of your sin nature and given a spirit that is born of the Spirit.

May I ask you if a particular denomination taught you what you believe, or did you come up with that in your private studies?

I study on my own.

The Bible teaches that the flesh is fallen human nature. It is the corrupt principle of sin, the carnal nature that natural men and women have inherited from their fallen parents.
Romans 7:18

1stcenturylady · Mar 1, 2019

1stcenturylady · Mar 1, 2019

eleos1954 said:
I study on my own.

The Bible teaches that the flesh is fallen human nature. It is the corrupt principle of sin, the carnal nature that natural men and women have inherited from their fallen parents.
Romans 7:18

Absolutely, I agree. But that is a work of the devil. and Jesus came to DESTROY the work of the devil. Those you describe are NOT born again or Christians.

1 John 3:4-9
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

This describes a Christian with the empowering of the Holy Spirit. This is now, not at the second coming. You cannot die in your sins. You must repent NOW.

1stcenturylady · Mar 1, 2019

Going out for a while

eleos1954 · Mar 1, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
Absolutely, I agree. But that is a work of the devil. and Jesus came to DESTROY the work of the devil. Those you describe are NOT born again or Christians.

1 John 3:4-9
4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

This describes a Christian with the empowering of the Holy Spirit. This is now, not at the second coming. You cannot die in your sins. You must repent NOW.

The way I read it

First John 3:9 means that as long as "God's nature abides" in us by the controlling presence of His Spirit, we do not willfully break God's commandments.

I have and do repent of my sins. The Holy Spirit works in the believer over his/her life time.

ace of hearts · Mar 1, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Please read the post you are responding to.

I did and I asked you a question about your first sentence. I'm sorry that you don't see this as a response to your post. If you want me to respond to it further you will tell me what your first sentence means. While you're at it you can also explain what you mean by your often of topic Rom 3:4 is about.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 1, 2019

ace of hearts said:
I did and I asked you a question about your first sentence. I'm sorry that you don't see this as a response to your post. If you want me to respond to it further you will tell me what your first sentence means. While you're at it you can also explain what you mean by your often of topic Rom 3:4 is about.

Please do not expect me to respond to your questions when you ignore the questions and all the scriptures in the posts provided to you that disagree with your teachings that God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) have been abolished. Please address the posts, questions already asked of you and scriptures provided to you in love that disagree with you. In the past I have always answered your questions while you ignore my posts, scriptures and questions that disagree with you. Why do you expect me to continue to answer your questions with God's WORD when you do not answer mine? Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Jesus saves us from our sins not to continue in them.

1stcenturylady · Mar 1, 2019

eleos1954 said:
The way I read it

First John 3:9 means that as long as "God's nature abides" in us by the controlling presence of His Spirit, we do not willfully break God's commandments.

I have and do repent of my sins. The Holy Spirit works in the believer over his/her life time.

Yes, that is what is called our flesh (nature) being born again of the Spirit. That old nature is dead and nailed to the cross. We, like Jesus, were resurrected with a new nature to be a Christian.

Look at your post just before this last one. It didn't depict a Christian. Do you agree?

(leaving to go swimming) will talk to you later.

ace of hearts · Mar 1, 2019

Tone said:
"I am dead to the Law" does not mean either that the Law is dead or that I have no resonsibility to obey the Law. It means "I am dead as far as the Law is concerned." The Law requires sinners to be executed, but in the believer's case, since Christ is executed on our behalf, the death sentance has already been executed: justice is preserved in the court of God while the believer is set free.

What does "dead" mean? How can the dead have a responsibility to anything? This is the approach and subject of Rom 6. Rom 7 says the law is dead and we're free to marry another. Rom 7 also says we're free from the law. If that is truly the case how is it you claim a relationship with the dead husband (the law). Isn't that necrophilia?

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In the Bible it is written, " For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God." (Gal 2:19) What does it mean to be "dead to the law?"

As with any text of scripture, it is good to look at the larger context. The verses preceding this text are very helpful.

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but
by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works
of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are
found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a
transgressor.

The immediate context, particularly verse 16, suggests that Paul is addressing legalism, the idea that justification, or being declared perfectly righteous before God, can be attained merely by human effort and obedience. Paul is clearly stating that justification is by faith and not by works; justification does not come by our effort and obedience. We can't get there from here merely by trying our best.

However, in saying this, Paul is careful to not throw out works, or obedience, or trying altogether: though works are not the ground of justification, Paul maintains that obedience to the Law is still important. He makes this plain in verse 17 when he asks, "Is therefore Christ the minister of sin?" Paul addresses the natural concern that arises in the context of justification by faith: if we can be declared righteous without regard to our obedience, is Christ then promoting or encouraging sin, the violation of God's Law? (1 John 3:4) Paul is emphatic that this is not the case. "God forbid." In other words, Paul is maintaining that justification is by faith and not by works, and he is also saying that Christ does not encourage sin: Christ still requires and expects obedience to the Law. Both concepts are true."

This is impossible. Paul no where says or implies obedience to the law. Paul says -

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Sure doesn't sound like Paul promotes works of the law to me.

Tone · Mar 1, 2019

ace of hearts said:
So since you understand, please explain it. I assume you think I've no idea Who Jesus is.

He is Who He Says He Is

Read the red letters bro.

ace of hearts · Mar 1, 2019

1stcenturylady said:
John wrote that, and John tells us His commandments in 1 John 3:23

This is a commandment of God telling us to keep the commandments of Jesus.

ace of hearts · Mar 1, 2019

Tone said:
He is Who He Says He Is

Read the red letters bro.

And that is....

There aren't any red letters in your post. If you're referring to Scripture you've not answered my question. Instead you instruct me to go hunt for your answer. That's your job, not mine.

Tone · Mar 1, 2019

ace of hearts said:
And that is....

There aren't any red letters in your post. If you're referring to Scripture you've not answered my question. Instead you instruct me to go hunt for your answer. That's your job, not mine.

...probably not...

Tone · Mar 1, 2019

ace of hearts said:
What does "dead" mean? How can the dead have a responsibility to anything? This is the approach and subject of Rom 6. Rom 7 says the law is dead and we're free to marry another. Rom 7 also says we're free from the law. If that is truly the case how is it you claim a relationship with the dead husband (the law). Isn't that necrophilia?This is impossible. Paul no where says or implies obedience to the law. Paul says -

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Sure doesn't sound like Paul promotes works of the law to me.

I will get back to you on this later though...I got some things to do...

ace of hearts · Mar 1, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
Would you say Jesus 2 commandments that follow pretty well cover the commandments we need to be concerned with?

"Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Matthew 22:35-40 KJV

So are you promoting these commandments are those of Jesus?

ace of hearts · Mar 1, 2019

Kenny'sID said:
The very reason I say we need the written words on the matter as well. Since our heart is deceitful, we ar every apt to deceive ourselves on what the Holy Spirit is saying.

Yes it's very nice to have something hard to reference and check ourselves.

ace of hearts · Mar 1, 2019

ewq1938 said:
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law- Galatians 3:13

I suppose this means the law is a blessing and not a curse then?

the law entangles with the yoke of bondage- Galatians 5:1

This must also mean that the law frees us from bondage?

if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

Not being under the law must mean we are very much under the law?

the law worketh wrath- Romans 4:15

This means the law does not work wrath?

we are not under the law- Romans 6:15

Does this mean we are on top of the law?

we are delivered from the law- Romans 7:6

Maybe this means delivered to the law not from it?

we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter- Romans 7:6

Or maybe they all mean exactly what they say and the law is not for us and we should not serve it?

Nice presentation to cause one to think, maybe.

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