What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Please tell us why the gentiles would be interested in becoming Israel. It was the Jew who wanted to exclude gentiles unless they submitted to the law.

Because they wanted to follow the God of Israel

 

[ace of hearts]

It says right there

Unless you have those tassels on your clothes you don't keep the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

No I wouldn’t say that. We will all stumble in sin. How we deal with sin is what defines us. If we willingly and continuously sin we are not adhering to the Holy Spirit. If we stumble in sin and repent with remorse that is normal for any Christian.

I can agree with that.

 

[ace of hearts]

Do you understand that I am explaining the difference between the Mosaic law and the commandments of God? I’ve said many times we are only obligated to keep God’s commandments not the Mosaic law.

The two are conflated here often to confuse and promote the law. So one must be specific when making such a statement.

 

[ace of hearts]

Evidence? Yes, the NT! Yes the Apostles were adherents of Judaism...THEY WERE JEWS! You can NOT separate Christianity and Judaism as if Christianity came from a vacuum! That is just silly!

The Jew certainly separated the two.

 

[ace of hearts]

To the pharisees He said: You say you follow Moses...If you follow Moses you would follow me because Moses spoke of me. The gentiles had no such thing unless they were converts to Judaism...

Jesus never said or implied one must follow Moses to follow Him.

 

[ace of hearts]

And yet the law actually requires Jews to worship on the sabbath. Where did God command us to worship on the sabbath? This is just one example. According to the Pharisees it was also against the law to heal on the sabbath. Again this was an addition to God’s commandment that God did not give otherwise Jesus would’ve been guilty of sin for healing on the sabbath. The Mosaic law and the actual commandments of God are not the same thing. The Jews added stipulations to God’s commandments when they wrote the law.

In Judaism only males are required to worship and only three times a year.

 

[ace of hearts]

LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant

Obvioulsy you haven't read the NT.

 

[ace of hearts]

Are you grafted in or no? Those laws were already in existence before Sinai and you know it.

Graft into what?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Evidence? Yes, the NT! Yes the Apostles were adherents of Judaism...THEY WERE JEWS! You can NOT separate Christianity and Judaism as if Christianity came from a vacuum! That is just silly!

If Judaism is not Christian why is the Old Testament in our bible? Lol it’s the nonchristian Jews that went off coarse not the messianic Jews. Honestly I think most of the arguing on their part is an unwillingness to admit their mistake.

 

[ace of hearts]

I just wanted to be clear on my position. If I had said we are obligated to keep the law he might’ve thought I was referring to the Jewish law. I prefer to refer to the commandments God gave us as His commandments in order to distinguish them apart from the Jewish law. And yes I agree that we are not obligated to keep the sabbath but personally I believe we should set aside at least one day a week to honor God.

Because of the content of this forum I've having difficulty with what you claim to be saying. What are you calling Jewish law? What commandments of God are you talking about? Some of God's commandments are no longer required because one covenant was replaced entirely by a totally different covenant.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Graft into what?

He’s referring to Romans 11:17-26

 

[ace of hearts]

So you agree with the fact that it was a sect WITHIN Judaism but in the same breath you claim it was foreign to it? LOL

No I don't agree that Christianity is or was a sect (part) of Judaism. You try very hard to project that on me for ridicule.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In Judaism only males are required to worship and only three times a year.

Jews are required to pray three times per day

 

[ace of hearts]

The Holy Spirit directs us to obey God’s commandments which is part of the law.

Where?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because of the content of this forum I've having difficulty with what you claim to be saying. What are you calling Jewish law? What commandments of God are you talking about? Some of God's commandments are no longer required because one covenant was replaced entirely by a totally different covenant.

What commandments of God have been replaced?

 

[ace of hearts]

Because they wanted to follow the God of Israel

That's entirely creditable prior to Jesus.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Where?

I quoted this yesterday.

“But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.”
‭‭GALATIANS‬ ‭5:16-26‬ ‭NASB‬‬

 

[BABerean2]

“What is hateful to you do not do to your neighbor. This is the whole Torah [Law]; all the rest is commentary.”
Hillel, Talmud Shabbat 31a

Are you quoting from the Babylonian Talmud, which claims Christ is the son of Mary and a Roman soldier named Pantera?

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[ace of hearts]

He’s referring to Romans 11:17-26

I understand that. The passage is being misrepresented to say something it doesn't.