What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Apostles weren't "Adherents of Judaism". Christianity happened outside of Judaism. (not within it) Two separate religions. Jews wanted nothing to do with Christianity. It was offensive to them. The Jews that came out of Judaism followed Jesus as he deconstructed the law piece by piece. It began even before Christ entered his public ministry.

That I think is the silliest thing you have said.

 

[Saint Steven]

The laws were intended to whom they were intended for. A man could not keep laws only intended for woman...

To whom was the tassels commandment given?

Numbers 15:38-40
“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel. 39 You will have these tassels to look at and so you will remember all the commands of the Lord, that you may obey them and not prostitute yourselves by chasing after the lusts of your own hearts and eyes. 40 Then you will remember to obey all my commands and will be consecrated to your God.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Which was not made known to people in other generations.
But has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets.

Ephesians 3:4-6
In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

Who was he writing to? Yes, the gentiles did not know and it has NOW been revealed to them...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

To whom was the tassels commandment given?

Numbers 15:38-40
“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘Throughout the generations to come you are to make tassels on the corners of your garments, with a blue cord on each tassel. 39 You will have these tassels to look at and so you will remember all the commands of the Lord, that you may obey them and not prostitute yourselves by chasing after the lusts of your own hearts and eyes. 40 Then you will remember to obey all my commands and will be consecrated to your God.

It says right there

 

[Saint Steven]

That I think is the silliest thing you have said.

Do you have concrete evidence to the contrary?

The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. (1 Cor.1:18)
Jesus proclaimed that we should take up our cross and follow him. Not Judaism.
The disciples were learners who already knew about Judaism. They were learning something new. Something different.

The Apostles weren't "Adherents of Judaism". Christianity happened outside of Judaism. (not within it) Two separate religions. Jews wanted nothing to do with Christianity. It was offensive to them. The Jews that came out of Judaism followed Jesus as he deconstructed the law piece by piece. It began even before Christ entered his public ministry.

Until John. Then what? Something stopped. Something started. The replacement.

Matthew 11:13
For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

 

[Saint Steven]

Who was he writing to? Yes, the gentiles did not know and it has NOW been revealed to them...

No. The mystery of Christ has now been revealed by the Spirit to everyone. (Jews and gentiles) Not prior.

Which was not made known to people in other generations. (Jews and gentiles)
But has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. (to everyone)

Ephesians 3:4-6
In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

 

[Saint Steven]

It says right there

Who were the Ten Commandments given to?

Deuteronomy 5:1-3
Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I take that you mean any one who commits any of those acts isn't a Christian. I think the Scripture implies practices (has a life style) not a single slip isn't a Christian. 1 JN 1:9.

No I wouldn’t say that. We will all stumble in sin. How we deal with sin is what defines us. If we willingly and continuously sin we are not adhering to the Holy Spirit. If we stumble in sin and repent with remorse that is normal for any Christian.

 

[Saint Steven]

If we stumble in sin and repent with remorse that is normal for any Christian.

Repent "with remorse"? Are you adding a condition to repentance?

How is remorse measured?
Were you remorseful enough? (who knows?)
Could you have been more remorseful? (of course)
Were you remorseful enough? (who knows?)

Repentance means a 180 degree turn. (away from sin toward God)
Add "with remorse" and you are doing endless 360s. (see above)

 

[BNR32FAN]

Then what value or purpose is the law concerning the Christian? The law isn't flexible in what it says.

Do you understand that I am explaining the difference between the Mosaic law and the commandments of God? I’ve said many times we are only obligated to keep God’s commandments not the Mosaic law.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Do you have concrete evidence to the contrary?

The Apostles weren't "Adherents of Judaism". Christianity happened outside of Judaism. (not within it) Two separate religions.

Evidence? Yes, the NT! Yes the Apostles were adherents of Judaism...THEY WERE JEWS! You can NOT separate Christianity and Judaism as if Christianity came from a vacuum! That is just silly!

 

[Saint Steven]

Evidence? Yes, the NT! Yes the Apostles were adherents of Judaism...THEY WERE JEWS! You can NOT separate Christianity and Judaism as if Christianity came from a vacuum! That is just silly!

I have noticed a pattern of generalities in your posts.
I asked for concrete evidence. You have provided an opinion. You have nothing.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No. The mystery of Christ has now been revealed by the Spirit to everyone. (Jews and gentiles) Not prior.

Which was not made known to people in other generations. (Jews and gentiles)
But has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. (to everyone)

To the pharisees He said: You say you follow Moses...If you follow Moses you would follow me because Moses spoke of me. The gentiles had no such thing unless they were converts to Judaism...

 

[BNR32FAN]

In Post #729 You wrote:
"... The mosaic law has many additions that were not actual commandments of God. …"

In Post # 743 I asked:
Where is the "mosaic law" found?
You replied:
"Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy are most of it."

In Post #748 I wrote:
How can you claim that these are not the law from God?

Deuteronomy 29:1
These are the terms of the covenant the Lord commanded Moses to make with the Israelites in Moab, in addition to the covenant he had made with them at Horeb.

And yet the law actually requires Jews to worship on the sabbath. Where did God command us to worship on the sabbath? This is just one example. According to the Pharisees it was also against the law to heal on the sabbath. Again this was an addition to God’s commandment that God did not give otherwise Jesus would’ve been guilty of sin for healing on the sabbath. The Mosaic law and the actual commandments of God are not the same thing. The Jews added stipulations to God’s commandments when they wrote the law.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I have noticed a pattern of generalities in your posts.
I asked for concrete evidence. You have provided an opinion. You have nothing.

LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

According to the Pharisees it was also against the law to heal on the sabbath. Again this was an addition to God’s commandment that God did not give otherwise Jesus would’ve been guilty of sin for healing on the sabbath.

Actually it wasn't, they just said it was. Doing good on Shabbat is allowed.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Repent "with remorse"? Are you adding a condition to repentance?

How is remorse measured?
Were you remorseful enough? (who knows?)
Could you have been more remorseful? (of course)
Were you remorseful enough? (who knows?)

Repentance means a 180 degree turn. (away from sin toward God)
Add "with remorse" and you are doing endless 360s. (see above)

And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

repent

G3340


G3340


Lemma:

μετανοέω


Transliteration:

metanoéō


Pronounce:

met-an-o-eh'-o


Part of Speech:

Verb


Language:

greek


Description:

1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins"Repentance (metanoia, 'change of mind') involves a turning with contrition from sin to God; the repentant sinner is in the proper condition to accept the divine forgiveness." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 97.)


Grammar:

from μετά and νοιέω; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Who were the Ten Commandments given to?

Deuteronomy 5:1-3
Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

Are you grafted in or no? Those laws were already in existence before Sinai and you know it.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Who were the Ten Commandments given to?

Deuteronomy 5:1-3
Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

Are you grafted in or no? Those laws were already in existence before Sinai and you know it.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I have noticed a pattern of generalities in your posts.
I asked for concrete evidence. You have provided an opinion. You have nothing.

LOL! If you think the NT is an opinion, well I can't help you with that...