What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Saint Steven]

What commandments did Jesus keep? I think Jesus kept the law given thru Moses. Jesus definitely kept the famous 10.

I think Jesus was deconstructing the law.
What is the most basic violation of the Sabbath law? (work)
How did Jesus respond when he was accused of such?

John 5:17-18
In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[Saint Steven]

So love is not in the law?

Show me.

 

[ace of hearts]

In answer to your question, he kept the whole Law of Moses as a Jew, and kept the moral code revealed in the Law of Moses (Ten Commandments) as Redeemer. The latter was part of his mission in saving mankind, in theology we call this his active obedience. He had to live in accord to the Decalogue, summed under the Two, and suffer on behalf of sinful men (passive obedience) on the cross to earn and accomplish eternal life, righteousness, and glory for them.

However, we cannot limit his mission to the moral law and substitionary atoning death, but we must include his earthly ministry in teaching and preaching what the Father had told him and perform signs, wonders, and miracles as evidence of who he is to Israel. He had to fulfill all righteousness that the Father commanded him.

Really? based on what?

 

[Jonaitis]

Show me.

I was asking you if love is not in the law.

 

[Jonaitis]

Really? based on what?

You have to be a little more specific here in what you are asking.

 

[Saint Steven]

I was asking you if love is not in the law.

I would say no, what would you say?
(the burden of proof is on you if you say "Yes")

 

[Jonaitis]

I would say no, what would you say?
(the burden of proof is on you if you say "Yes")

I believe love is the fulfillment and demand of the law. So, if you believe this, how is Jesus' commandment to love one another not fall in line with the law? If it does, how do you separate his commandment from the law if it is the law?

 

[Saint Steven]

You have to be a little more specific here in what you are asking.

Why can't you defend your claims?
Instead of sidestepping an inquiry.
Is that specific enough?

 

[Jonaitis]

Why can't you defend your claims?
Instead of sidestepping an inquiry.
Is that specific enough?

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[Saint Steven]

I believe love is the fulfillment and demand of the law. So, if you believe this, how is Jesus' commandment to love one another not fall in line with the law? If it does, how do you separate his commandment from the law if it is the law?

I don't believe that at all.
Love is the demand of the law? Chapter and verse please.
And just to be clear, the law is not found in the NT.

 

[ace of hearts]

So love is not in the law?

There is a difference between God's natural law (moral law) and God's positive law (commandments only revealed by special revelation).

In the sense of love being a command, no love isn't in the law. Love can't be commanded.

 

[Saint Steven]

In answer to your question, he kept the whole Law of Moses as a Jew, and kept the moral code revealed in the Law of Moses (Ten Commandments) as Redeemer.

Explain this.

John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

 

[Jonaitis]

I don't believe that at all.
Love is the demand of the law? Chapter and verse please.
And just to be clear, the law is not found in the NT.

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” - Matthew 22:37-40

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." - Matthew 7:12

Let me ask you this, where did Jesus quote the two greatest commandments?

 

[Jonaitis]

In the sense of love being a command, no love isn't in the law. Love can't be commanded.

So if love isn't a command, why did Jesus say that his commandment is to love one another? I'm lost at what you are saying here.

 

[Jonaitis]

Explain this.

John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

I don't know what you are asking me to explain? If you read the gospel accounts, Jesus explains how he does not break the Sabbath, he only breaks it in the eyes of those religious leaders who placed so many restrictions not found in the Law or would obstruct the law of mercy.

 

[ace of hearts]

You have to be a little more specific here in what you are asking.

What is the basis of your claim or statement? I don't think you have one. It should be obvious that I'm not remarking about the post I'm responding to here.

 

[ace of hearts]

I believe love is the fulfillment and demand of the law. So, if you believe this, how is Jesus' commandment to love one another not fall in line with the law? If it does, how do you separate his commandment from the law if it is the law?

LK 16:16; JN 1:17, 15:10

 

[Saint Steven]

“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” - Matthew 22:37-40

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." - Matthew 7:12

Let me ask you this, where did Jesus quote the two greatest commandments?

You need to follow the story line.
Jesus was asked to name the greatest commandment.
He chose two from the law. That was his answer to the question.
He was saying they were central to the books of the Law and the Prophets.
Don't make more of it than you should.

Does it say anything about loving one another? (nope)
I guess I was right then. Imagine that.

 

[Jonaitis]

What is the basis of your claim or statement? I don't think you have one. It should be obvious that I'm not remarking about the post I'm responding to here.

Scripture is my basis, just read passages like Galatians 4:4-5.

You guys are teaching strange things, and refuse to listen, I'm outta here.

 

[ace of hearts]

Scripture is my basis, just read passages like Galatians 4:4-5.

You guys are teaching strange things, and refuse to listen, I'm outta here.

This is a long ways from a command.