What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Jonaitis]

It is a fairly easy question to answer I would think

I don't understand it.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I don't understand it.

Where did the Torah come from?

 

[Jonaitis]

Where did the Torah come from?

God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Thank you. So would you say they are all in agreement regarding it?

 

[Jonaitis]

Thank you. So would you say they are all in agreement regarding it?

Of course.

 

[ace of hearts]

What he asked me...go read your post that I replied to...

It should be obvious what the text is by my comment. Don't you have a copy, or don't you know exactly what text I speak about actually is. If you don't know why are you even challenging me on it? It's posted by several people in this forum if not on this thread. NTL for you -

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Maybe you should read it again then...

Like your previous post you say nothing about the contents of the post.

I didn't think I needed to...

Maybe you should since you clearly do not understand the scripture...

Why don't you ask AoH?

Ask me what?

I think I got everything here. I think you said I don't understand the Jeremiah quote. You offer nothing except harassment. I'm asking you to change your tune and plainly say what you think I don't understand. I've thoroughly investigated the quote. Tell me what you think I missed.

 

[ace of hearts]

Good, so you agree he was a fully Torah observant Jew. He does the Will of His Father.

Certainly! Now what? Don't disciples do what their master says? Aren't you trying to tell us to do what Jesus did, observe the law? If so what Jesus taught has no meaning to anyone. I think you're promoting Judaism and not Christianity. This is a Christians only area.

Jesus taught us to keep His commandments. Jesus didn't teach us to keep His Father's commandments (the law) which you don't keep. You probably don't want to discuss that either. The Scripture (even the OT) will support what I say.

 

[Saint Steven]

Why don't you ask AoH?

He's not behaving as if he thinks his opinion is superior.

 

[ace of hearts]

His Father's commandments may not be referring to the Law, but to his mission...

What commandments did Jesus keep? I think Jesus kept the law given thru Moses. Jesus definitely kept the famous 10.

 

[ace of hearts]

I'll defer to @Soyeong 's responses in that thread...

That's pretty old. Are you Soyeong?

 

[Saint Steven]

His Father's commandments may not be referring to the Law, but to his mission...

I agree. But NEITHER was referring to the law.

Jn 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

 

[Jonaitis]

What commandments did Jesus keep? I think Jesus kept the law given thru Moses. Jesus definitely kept the famous 10.

In answer to your question, he kept the whole Law of Moses as a Jew, and kept the moral code revealed in the Law of Moses (Ten Commandments) as Redeemer. The latter was part of his mission in saving mankind, in theology we call this his active obedience. He had to live in accord to the Decalogue, summed under the Two, and suffer on behalf of sinful men (passive obedience) on the cross to earn and accomplish eternal life, righteousness, and glory for them.

However, we cannot limit his mission to the moral law and substitionary atoning death, but we must include his earthly ministry in teaching and preaching what the Father had told him and perform signs, wonders, and miracles as evidence of who he is to Israel. He had to fulfill all righteousness that the Father commanded him.

 

[ace of hearts]

Of course you do, he professes what you do.


But he doesn't answer the questions I posted to you here. He quotes the NT except once, and that to say that we shouldn't believe anything but what was given to Moses. Which conveniently completley nullifies Yeshua saying anything other than what was given Moses.

Which completely compromises the Words Yeshua gave, which are life.

Both of you failed to understand this by believing and teaching others the opposite.

Interesting.

 

[ace of hearts]

?

Was a rather odd response, wasn't it?

 

[Jonaitis]

I agree. But NEITHER was referring to the law.

Jn 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

What was Jesus' commandments?

 

[ace of hearts]

In what way specifically? BTW, Shabbat Shalom

Guten abend

 

[Saint Steven]

What was Jesus' commandments?

Commands actually. See NIV below.
They are spread across the gospels. But mostly to love one another. (John 15:12, 17)

John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

 

[Jonaitis]

Commands actually. See NIV below.
They are spread across the gospels. But mostly to love one another. (John 15:12, 17)

John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

So love is not in the law?

There is a difference between God's natural law (moral law) and God's positive law (commandments only revealed by special revelation).

 

[ace of hearts]

BTW, why did you put up the verses from John? You ask about Yeshua and His Father's Torah? A house divided can NOT stand...

That's why we preach Jesus and not Jesus and the law. Grace voids the law and the law voids grace. Without grace no one can have a relationship with God the Father. Jesus said you can only access the Father through Him.

JN 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

No one can access God the Father any other way according to Jesus. So quit trying.

 

[ace of hearts]

He's not behaving as if he thinks his opinion is superior.

You're so kind. Thank you.