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I know where it is written but today those two are fulfilled by The Commandments of Christ and not by The works of the law. Where it is written in the old testament is in relation to the law not the New testament. Therefore those words in the old testament are just that old. The new although similar is in relation to the New testament and the Commandments of Christ.
The man asked what was the great commandment in the law not the New testament.Yet Yeshua quotes them...so old and new are the same.
The man asked what was the great commandment in the law not the New testament.
All the Commandments of Christ although some similar in some ways to the old testament are not according to the old testament but the new. People are confused when they hear some Commandments of Christ that are similar to the old testament. Every commandment out of the mouth of Jesus Christ is a new testament commandment even if it sounds similar to what you read in the old.
Yes he fulfilled the law, When he died for his neighbor, as it is written, greater Love has no man than this that a man lay down his life for his friends. Then by his death all things that he commanded became law, as it is written, a testament is a force after men are dead.Yeshua was a Jew so He knew, taught and followed Torah...
Yes he fulfilled the law, When he died for his neighbor, as it is written, greater Love has no man than this that a man lay down his life for his friends. Then by his death all things that he commanded became law, as it is written, a testament is a force after men are dead.
Correct. As Romans 8:2 says, we a now under the law of the SPIRIT of life in Christ, and set free of (Romans 7) the law of sin and death. Paul was also set free and walked in the Spirit.Your claim is this war isn't a current problem for Paul.
When I see the phrase, 'the law', in the New Testament I read it as the entire written law.Being converted to Christ does not mean that we escape from the obligation to follow God's moral Law. It is the Mosaic ceremonial Law that we leave behind.
This can't be found in the OT -I have, that is why I posted it. I have no idea what you are talking about.
No JN 13:34 isn't a commandment from the Torah. Read and compare the whole text.those commandments are from The Torah...
The Ten Commandments and the moral commandments outlined by Moses make up God's moral Law. But there were other ceremonial regulations, for example, ritual hand washing, offering of sacrifices, etc., that became obsolete when the Christian church was born at Pentecost.I certainly did not agree with what you wrote.
When I see the phrase, 'the law', in the New Testament I read it as the entire written law.
I do not see a clear distinction between moral law and ceremonial law in the written law.
Well Oscar, how about you tell me what you think of the following verse. Is the verse below a ceremonial law or a moral law?
Exodus 21:16
He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death.
The world was under the sentence of death, the whole world was guilty before God.I wanted to get back to this ...
Could you further explain what you mean by your statement "You cannot die (earthly death) in your sins" ???
A converted believer will follow the moral commands of the Torah because he loves God and following them would be his pleasure and joy, and not out of the fear of punishment and condemnation. He know that he is justified by faith in Christ and therefore is free from condemnation and punishment so he is now free to do what he loves most - complying with and enjoying God's commandments as expressed in the Torah and the commands of Jesus which are in total harmony with each other.No JN 13:34 isn't a commandment from the Torah. Read and compare the whole text.
I can't agree with you at all when I observe and pay attention to my body function in all respects. Mostly the war for me over my soul and sin comes from the enemy of my soul that hates God places in my mind. The enemy takes several things into consideration when trying to temp me to do evil. The more I withdraw from general public the more problem I have with the general public and the enemy of my soul. I hate having to go to town. I love my more private situation in the country. Maybe some day I can even dispose of my transportation needs and not ever have to go to town.Correct. As Romans 8:2 says, we a now under the law of the SPIRIT of life in Christ, and set free of (Romans 7) the law of sin and death. Paul was also set free and walked in the Spirit.
No Jesus doesn't, read and compare the texts.Yet Yeshua quotes them...so old and new are the same.
We disagree that Jesus taught the Torah. I base that largely on JN 1:17.Yeshua was a Jew so He knew, taught and followed Torah...so when does the NT start and the OT end...at his birth, death, resurrection? So we are only to listen to anything once the NT begins?
Ah so! Were you coerced to this confession? Indeed the above isn't found in the OT.The new part about it is that He fulfilled them to give us an example of how to do them:
John 13:34-35
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
What is the argument generally about when you engage in this type of argument?All I ever hear is that He fulfilled the law so we don't have to...what He commanded was already law...
A true believer follows the teaching of Jesus, never the law or any part of the law. LK 6:31, JN 13:34A converted believer will follow the moral commands of the Torah because he loves God and following them would be his pleasure and joy, and not out of the fear of punishment and condemnation. He know that he is justified by faith in Christ and therefore is free from condemnation and punishment so he is now free to do what he loves most - complying with and enjoying God's commandments as expressed in the Torah and the commands of Jesus which are in total harmony with each other.
It is all in the motivation and reasons why a converted believer follows the moral laws to the best of his ability. I have no problem at all complying to the moral commandments of the Torah, because I know that complying with them did not save me, but I love it when I can comply with the laws because then I can live a life that represents Jesus to the world and brings Him praise and glory.
That is a better reply but still way short of the mark.The Ten Commandments and the moral commandments outlined by Moses make up God's moral Law.
If one jot falls from the law then the entire law falls.But there were other ceremonial regulations, for example, ritual hand washing, offering of sacrifices, etc., that became obsolete when the Christian church was born at Pentecost.
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