What caused the Schism between the Eastern Orthodox church and the Roman Catholic Church?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

and since Jesus is the translation of Yeshua, it is the same word with the same meaning. it does not matter if a Hebrew would not understand. Ivan is the same name as Yohanna. whether or not a Russian understands is a moot point.

No it isn't. He was not named "Jesus". You would have a better case using the English "Joshua". Ivan may mean something while Yohanna may not.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I know, and I am saying that Rome has tied in the use of unleavened to the Eucharist which is why they have been accused of Judaizing. I am not making any associations.

I still do not see how it is Judaizing, to me it is a misunderstanding of Judaism as well as Scripture. How are they promoting Judaism by using unleavened the whole year?

 

[ArmyMatt]

No it isn't. He was not named "Jesus". You would have a better case using the English "Joshua". Ivan may mean something while Yohanna may not.

Jesus is the Anglo form of the Greek Joshua. so it is the same name. and Ivan and Yohanna are both John, they both have the same meaning as John.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I still do not see how it is Judaizing, to me it is a misunderstanding of Judaism as well as Scripture. How are they promoting Judaism by using unleavened the whole year?

because of their rationale for its use

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Jesus is the Anglo form of the Greek Joshua. so it is the same name. and Ivan and Yohanna are both John, they both have the same meaning as John.

Uh no, Jesus (unless you are Spanish) is not a name, Joshua is. Maybe the Anglo "Jesus" comes from the Greek "Iesous" but Joshua is Joshua as in Yehoshua/Yeshua. What I am saying is that John may not mean anything in Anglo, while Yohanon does in the original language "John" may come from. What does jesus/Iesous or John/Ioannes mean in English or Greek? What does the actual name mean? Just because they are derivations from the original does not mean they mean anything the same as the original. In the original language they do.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

because of their rationale for its use

But they do not use it under the original conditions (other than one week a year).

 

[ArmyMatt]

But they do not use it under the original conditions (other than one week a year).

no, but they use the original practice of the use of unleavened bread as a defense for why the Eucharist should be unleavened, which is why it is seen as Judaizing.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Uh no, Jesus (unless you are Spanish) is not a name, Joshua is. Maybe the Anglo "Jesus" comes from the Greek "Iesous" but Joshua is Joshua as in Yehoshua/Yeshua. What I am saying is that John may not mean anything in Anglo, while Yohanon does in the original language "John" may come from. What does jesus/Iesous or John/Ioannes mean in English or Greek? What does the actual name mean? Just because they are derivations from the original does not mean they mean anything the same as the original. In the original language they do.

but that's just it, because the name Jesus was always seen as a translation of Yeshua, coming from Greek to Latin to English, it's meaning is the same. if you ask someone what Jesus means, they would say the same as Yeshua. much like Ivan, John, Johann, Yohanna, Ian, etc are the same.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

because of their rationale for its use

My point is that they are NOT using it in the same way as Judaism does. Well I think we are beating a dead horse...I made my points and you made yours

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

but that's just it, because the name Jesus was always seen as a translation of Yeshua, coming from Greek to Latin to English, it's meaning is the same. if you ask someone what Jesus means, they would say the same as Yeshua. much like Ivan, John, Johann, Yohanna, Ian, etc are the same.

Again, you would have a point if you said Joshua. Again, we are beating a dead horse...I made my point you made yours...Shalom

 

[ArmyMatt]

My point is that they are NOT using it in the same way as Judaism does. Well I think we are beating a dead horse...I made my points and you made yours

and my point is that does not matter. like any heresy, there can be more extreme sides and more moderate. I would not equate that to demanding circumcision, but that is the basis for our side's critique of the practice.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Again, you would have a point if you said Joshua. Again, we are beating a dead horse...I made my point you made yours...Shalom

well, no. it's like in the Celtic world, Shane, Sean, Shawn, and Sheena are all translations, and therefore have the same meaning, as John.

pax

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

and my point is that does not matter. like any heresy, there can be more extreme sides and more moderate. I would not equate that to demanding circumcision, but that is the basis for our side's critique of the practice.

I understand that but I do not agree that it is Judaizing...

 

[ArmyMatt]

I understand that but I do not agree that it is Judaizing...

certainly not an extreme form to be sure, my point was simply that gurney was not wrong.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

well, no. it's like in the Celtic world, Shane, Sean, Shawn, and Sheena are all translations, and therefore have the same meaning, as John.

pax

What does Shane, Shawn, and the others different spellings mean in the Celtic world? And don't say John

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

certainly not an extreme form to be sure, my point was simply that gurney was not wrong.

It is NOT Judaizing in the original meaning or use of the word IMO.

 

[ArmyMatt]

What does Shane, Shawn, and the others different spellings mean in the Celtic world? And don't say John

that is what they mean. as these Palestinian names came to new nations, they were adapted to new language and dialects.

 

[ArmyMatt]

It is NOT Judaizing in the original meaning or use of the word IMO.

and the Eunomeans were not Arian in the original, yet they are considered an extreme form of the Arian heresy

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

that is what they mean. as these Palestinian names came to new nations, they were adapted to new language and dialects.

LOL, what does the name MEAN in that language? Palestinian name?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

and the Eunomeans were not Arian in the original, yet they are considered an extreme form of the Arian heresy

You are more up on heresies so I would not know I gotta go and look that one up