What are your thoughts on this?

[ozso]

I don't disagree. And I've been fairly vocal about sin on this thread.



Also agreed. Which is why condoning hatefulness toward others is not the way of Christ--but a lie of the devil.



How about those who condone and defend the practice of hating one's neighbor and violating the commandment of God?

Christ our God had choice words for those He called hypocrites and blind guides.

Who do we want to be in the Parable of the Pharisee and the Publican?

So why do we ignore the commandment of God and insist on our own glory when the word of God is clear: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

Whatever sin a gay person might commit is no worse than the sin of treating them poorly for being different than ourselves. The Greeks worshiped false gods, the Romans persecuted the Church, and yet the command to love remains anyway. There is no command to regard pagans as subhuman garbage; no command to despise the Samaritan because they worship on the wrong mountain. No command to disparage and gossip against the drunkard, the adulterer, or the backbiter. Yet how much poison seeps from the teeth of venomous asps who call themselves by the name of Christ? That a person attracted to the same sex is regarded worse than the abuser the adulterer the womanizer and even the murderer.

All our supposed piety is filth and dung. We are impenitent. We are harlots each and every one of us.

How are we not more ashamed?

Fall on your knees and weep, repent. You are a sinner.

-CryptoLutheran

Being against little kids being immersed in the world transgenderism and multi sexual orientations, isn't discriminating against anyone or treating them like subhuman vermin etc. It's just simply saying, this isn't appropriate for young children.

As for the practice of sexual immortality, the word of God is quite clear on the subject. And it's simply not something that belongs in elementary school classrooms.

There are those who are deeply upset over others not wanting to see little kids immersed LQBTQ+ and having drag queens as role models and go to great lengths to make it acceptable. Often by playing the discrimination card.

 

[ozso]

Now you want me to judge others, I see some misguided people but if @ViaCrucis says the worst sin is not loving your neighbors doesn’t that include those neighbors he has no problem condemning? Do you think hes going to change their minds by calling them sinners and by implication hypocrites? He is using the same approach that he condemns them for using.
I’m sure his heart is in the right place but he is doing exactly what he is calling them out for

What we have is those protesting aginst those who are protesting against children being immersed in transgenderism and multiple sexual orientations and drag queens acting as role models for children.

 

[Bradskii]

Now you want me to judge others...

That's up to you. And what you said might well have been nothing more than a common term ('I don't know about anyone else...') but you and I both know of those on both sides of this argument who take things to an unacceptable extreme.

 

[childeye 2]

I find your writing obscure for lack of a better term simply because it seems like you're trying to write on a sophisticated highbrow level instead of just saying things in simple easy to read and understand manner.

Fair enough. I can appreciate that criticism. You can present any statements I make that you don't understand, and I can try to rephrase or use scripture to verify.

 

[childeye 2]

What we have is those protesting aginst those who are protesting against children being immersed in transgenderism and multiple sexual orientations and drag queens acting as role models for children.

I'd say that's a misrepresentation based on an over-generalization. Let's get one thing straight, the devil means accuser/slanderer and we should not entertain slander.

The issue we're discussing is specifically about whether those who would proudly fornicate, are tempting innocent/children to be like them under the guise of promoting loving acceptance of all sexual lifestyles, and what to do about it. Regardless of the situation, I believe the conflating of lust and love in a person's mind is debilitating and children should be taught the difference.

 

[rjs330]

I believe the devil uses the occasion of semantics to cause division and misunderstandings where people would otherwise agree. The term devil means accuser/slanderer and promotes cynicism rather than grace through faith.

The devil is using that against Christians who want kids left alone. HE is the one that has caused the division with his influence upon those who wish to indoctrinate the kids and then claim that the Christians are the ones being divisive because they oppose it. Accusations of Homo and transphobia. The accuser and slanderer is at it again. It's the way he works. You saw it against Christ and the Apostles. Jesus preached repentance, said things like, the world loves darkness rather than light. Or that all are condemned. He pointed out sin in people's lives. He was not silent on the sins of others.

BUT he did it to offer salvation to them. He didn't do it to shun them or hate them or treat them badly. He merely did it to show them they were captive to it. And that HE could free them. We are all slaves to sin, but Christ came to set the captive free. He said this:

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.

The homosexual is just another of the poor, the captive, the blind and the oppressed. As we ALL are.

This is why the world hates us and slanders us. Simply pointing out that someone is poor captive blind and oppressed is enough because they don't believe they are and it's hatred and phobic to say so.

Not to mention that there is a large push for indoctrinating kids into believing that it's a wonderful and celebratory thing.

 

[childeye 2]

The devil is using that against Christians who want kids left alone. HE is the one that has caused the division with his influence upon those who wish to indoctrinate the kids and then claim that the Christians are the ones being divisive because they oppose it. Accusations of Homo and transphobia. The accuser and slanderer is at it again. It's the way he works. You saw it against Christ and the Apostles. Jesus preached repentance, said things like, the world loves darkness rather than light. Or that all are condemned. He pointed out sin in people's lives. He was not silent on the sins of others.

BUT he did it to offer salvation to them. He didn't do it to shun them or hate them or treat them badly. He merely did it to show them they were captive to it. And that HE could free them. We are all slaves to sin, but Christ came to set the captive free. He said this:

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.

The homosexual is just another of the poor, the captive, the blind and the oppressed. As we ALL are.

This is why the world hates us and slanders us. Simply pointing out that someone is poor captive blind and oppressed is enough because they don't believe they are and it's hatred and phobic to say so.

Not to mention that there is a large push for indoctrinating kids into believing that it's a wonderful and celebratory thing.

Personally, I don't take offense at homophobia or transphobia. I take you to be saying in a nutshell that if people can't acknowledge what is sin, then they can't acknowledge the Christ's dying so that sins can be forgiven. Is that accurate? If so that makes sense.

Also, please read my post #685 and let me know if you agree with the last line.

 

[ozso]

I'd say that's a misrepresentation based on an over-generalization. Let's get one thing straight, the devil means accuser/slanderer and we should not promote slander.

The issue we're discussing is about those who would proudly fornicate, tempting the innocent/children to be like them under the guise of promoting loving acceptance of all sexual lifestyles. Quite simply, the conflating of lust and love is being used as a deception.

As the OP, the topic of this thread is what I said it is. You're off on your own tangent which you probably should start your own thread with.

 

[rjs330]

As I understand it, some transgenders can be genetic, and some can be psychological. Transexual also can likewise also be due to genetics, but if psychological I believe there are better treatments. Which means these types of conditions would need to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis to understand the root cause and appropriate treatment. Whereas I believe that queer, multi-sexual and gay orientations are more directly tied to confusing lust with love, and I think there is an age that children should be taught the difference.

First of all there is no evidence that transgenderism is genetic. It is only a psychological mental phenomenon. I guess you could say it's genetic like schizophrenia is genetic. The difficulty is that Transgenderism does not claim that it's only a mental health diagnosis. That's what they mean by genetic. That it's NOT a mental health disorder but simply a variation of human who happens to be born in the wrong body.

And you are absolutely correct that these cases need to be evaluated on a cas by case basis to find the actual cause of the issue. Because the trans kids are not all trans for the same reason. Then they need psychological treatment if necessary to deal with the psychological reason they feel they are trans.

 

[childeye 2]

First of all there is no evidence that transgenderism is genetic. It is only a psychological mental phenomenon. I guess you could say it's genetic like schizophrenia is genetic. The difficulty is that Transgenderism does not claim that it's only a mental health diagnosis. That's what they mean by genetic. That it's NOT a mental health disorder but simply a variation of human who happens to be born in the wrong body.

And you are absolutely correct that these cases need to be evaluated on a cas by case basis to find the actual cause of the issue. Because the trans kids are not all trans for the same reason. Then they need psychological treatment if necessary to deal with the psychological reason they feel they are trans.

Well, there are also those who are born with aspects of both male and female genitalia and even biological uterus and testicles. They are referred to as "intersex" variations. That is what I had in mind when I used the term "genetic". I've seen an interview with one such person who agreed to talk about it and they said they had to decide what gender they wanted to identify as.

Here's the thing. I knew a girl in my elementary school who was fat, and not really that fat. But other kids were cruel and made fun of her. One day she went home and drank Clorox in an attempt to kill herself. She didn't die but it ate away most of her stomach and it breaks my heart to think about it.

This causes me to think about kids or young people that are gay or who suffer with transgender or sexual orientation issues. I'm not all gung-ho about demeaning them in any way. I see nothing wrong with being kind to them and I don't feel moved by The Holy Spirit to point out to them their sin, but I would gladly preach the Love of Christ.

 

[childeye 2]

As the OP, the topic of this thread is what I said it is. You're off on your own tangent which you probably should start your own thread with.

I see nothing wrong with your intended sentiment as a commentary. The statement however is an over-generalization because "transgenderism and multiple sexual orientations and drag queens acting as role models for children", are all different things.

So, when you say people are protesting against those who are protesting against children being immersed in all those different things it qualifies as arbitrary. For example, transgenderism can appear in children so protesting children being immersed in it won't change that.

My tangent is directly concerned with confusing lust with Love which is relevant to sexual deviancy.

 

[ozso]

I see nothing wrong with your intended sentiment as a commentary. The statement however is an over-generalization because "transgenderism and multiple sexual orientations and drag queens acting as role models for children", are all different things.

So, when you say people are protesting against those who are protesting all those different things it qualifies as arbitrary.

No they are all tied together regarding what LGBTQ+ is subjecting kids to in places of learning.

You're seeing it from your own separate personal perspective which runs contrary to what's being discussed. You're off on a tangent that doesn't fit in with the subject matter. Which is why I couldn't figure out what you were talking about.

 

[childeye 2]

No they are all tied together regarding what LGBTQ+ is subjecting kids to in places of learning

You're seeing it from your own separate personal perspective which runs contrary to what's being discussed. You're off on a tangent that doesn't fit in with the subject matter. Which is why I couldn't figure out what you were talking about.

That's an arbitrary assessment. LGBTQ+ represents different types of people with individual cases, and an agenda to find acceptance is not the same as flaunting gay pride. It's just not sound reasoning to say it's all one thing children are being subjected to.

As pertains to my tangent, you are asserting that it's about a different subject matter. The scriptures directly state that homosexuality is a form of lust, and that lust brings forth sin, and the scriptures also teach that Love fulfills the law. So, I'm certain that my tangent of teaching the factual difference between lust and love is on topic as pertains to inordinate passions. I don't see why you would assert otherwise.

 

[ozso]

That's an arbitrary assessment. LGBTQ+ represents different types of people, and an agenda to find acceptance is not the same as gay pride.

As pertains to my tangent, you are asserting that it's about a different subject matter. The scriptures directly state that homosexuality is a form of lust and lust brings forth sin, and the scriptures also teach that Love fulfills the law. So, I'm certain that my tangent of teaching the factual difference between lust and love is on topic. I don't see why you would assert otherwise.

You're continually telling me the OP that I'm doing it wrong in my own thread, and trying to redefine the discussion according how you think it's supposed to go.

 

[childeye 2]

You're continually telling me the OP that I'm doing it wrong in my own thread, and trying to redefine the discussion according how you think it's supposed to go.

I'd say that's true on my part. However, the OP/Opening Post is a satire video that you take seriously to some extent. You therefore seem to be wanting to say that it's real to some extent. I don't approve of people celebrating hedonism, but I'm not going to react out of fear.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'd say that's a misrepresentation based on an over-generalization. Let's get one thing straight, the devil means accuser/slanderer and we should not entertain slander.

The issue we're discussing is specifically about whether those who would proudly fornicate, are tempting innocent/children to be like them under the guise of promoting loving acceptance of all sexual lifestyles, and what to do about it. Regardless of the situation, I believe the conflating of lust and love in a person's mind is debilitating and children should be taught the difference.

That’s not going to happen in public schools.

 

[Bradskii]

That's all pure assumption on your part. I just posted the video asking people what they thought about it.

Well, I guess you forgot about the very first line in the op:

'The second half of the video shows crimes committed against children by those singing "we're coming for your children".'

At no time at all did you even attempt to verify that it was genuine. No attempt whatsoever. That says more about the reason why the video was posted in the first place. Apart from completely missing the satirical aim of the song itself, you wanted to say 'Hey, they're coming for the children! And they're paedophiles!'.

 

[ozso]

I'd say that's true on my part. However, the OP/Opening Post is a satire video that you take seriously to some extent. You therefore seem to be wanting to say that it's real to some extent. I don't approve of people celebrating hedonism, but I'm not going to react out of fear.

It's wanting to indoctrinate children into their hedonism that's the main problem. And yes I think that's exactly what LGBTQQIP2SAA+ wants.

 

[childeye 2]

That’s not going to happen in public schools.

Some schools still teach sexual education. It wouldn't have to be articulated in biblical terms, just basic biological and psychological terminology. The desire to procreate would be described as hormonal, but the curriculum would put emphasis on the debilitating effects psychologically, emotionally, and socially, when people mistakenly base their self-worth on being found sexually attractive. Such affections would include the selfishness of using others to feed one's own narcissism, progressing into predatory tendencies such as pedophilia, rape and incest, misinformed peer pressure, and unwanted pregnancies.

I know the Holy Spirit accompanies the Gospel, but in a secular society the prime motivators in people's lives are still family and relationships. You'd think we'd invest some time and effort on mental health and the value of compassion.

 

[childeye 2]

It's wanting to indoctrinate children into their hedonism that's the main problem. And yes I think that's exactly what LGBTQQIP2SAA+ wants.

Okay, so my tangent is not off topic just because I'm trying to talk you down by preaching some temperance.