• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

What are your thoughts on this?

Status
Not open for further replies.

ViaCrucis

Confessional Lutheran
Oct 2, 2011
39,613
29,190
Pacific Northwest
✟816,253.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
Considering what Paul said against homosexuality, sexual immorality, and living to satisfy the the flesh and encouraging others to do the same, I'd say yes.

You don't think that holding hateful attitudes toward your neighbor and bearing false witness against them is carnal?

Considering that Jesus said, “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble (Luke 17:1-2), I'd say yes.

Then why would you want to make them stumble by teaching them to be hateful and unkind and to act contrary to the way of Christ and the commandments of God?

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” Matthew 16:23

"Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil on account of the Son of Man." - Luke 6:22

-CryptoLutheran
 
Upvote 0

ozso

Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
28,171
15,279
PNW
✟981,150.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Do you you believe that we should treat other people, including trans and non-heterosexual people kindly?
Yes, but what does that have to do with teaching young kids to admire LGBTQ+ and that they can be any number of genders and sexual orientations?
 
  • Like
Reactions: BPPLEE
Upvote 0

ozso

Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
28,171
15,279
PNW
✟981,150.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
You don't think that holding hateful attitudes toward your neighbor and bearing false witness against them is carnal?
I think trying to get Christians to stay quiet about sinfulness is from Satan.
Then why would you want to make them stumble by teaching them to be hateful and unkind and to act contrary to the way of Christ and the commandments of God?
Condoning, defending and promoting sinfulness isn't the way of Christ, or a commandment of God, it's a lie from Satan.
"Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil on account of the Son of Man." - Luke 6:22

-CryptoLutheran
Jesus wasn't talking about those who condone and defend the practice sexual immorality and promote a twisted humanistic worldly view that there are multiple genders and sexual orientations to children - None of that is on account of the Son of Man, it's on account of Satan.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

rjs330

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2015
28,348
9,107
65
✟433,507.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pentecostal
I take that as agreement that nowhere in the Gospels does anybody say that all gay people lie. I go further, because no part of the scriptures actually makes that absurd accusation.
Yeah I agree. They don't differentiate gay liars vs others.
am an atheist brought up in the Church and rejecting its teachings. How do you expect me to answer that? My interest here is this: a poster made a false statement about Scripture which he - of course - could not back up.
Gotcha.
 
Upvote 0

BPPLEE

Well-Known Member
Apr 13, 2022
16,060
7,504
61
Montgomery
✟255,155.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Genuine question: Do you consider the satirical song that's been the center of this thread to be one of those sources, or an example of those kinds of sources?

Because if so, that would lead me to think that the way you ingest information on this topic is through a highly prejudicial filter.

Imagine, for example, if one assumed all Christians are violent religious fanatics. Now imagine the kind of sources one might be using, even "Christian sources"--after all, Westboro Baptist Church does exist. Now, also imagine, you came across satire poking fun of the idea that all Christians are violent fanatics--but instead of perceiving the satire for what it's saying you instead filtered that through your own prejudicial assumptions about Christians.

After all, Christians are violent religious fanatics: The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Rhineland Massacre, the Salem Witch Trials, Westboro Baptist Church. I mean, none of that paints a good picture of people who call themselves Christian. And sure, maybe you've met Christians who don't fit that view you have of them, but you can find ways to compartmentalize that. A handful of maybe-okay Christians doesn't really change the fact that Christians are bad people. You have plenty of examples, and you can find Christian sources to back up your feelings and thoughts.

Does that make Christians, by default, violent religious fanatics? Does even a preponderance of evidence of Christians acting like violent fanatics make Christians--by default--violent fanatics? Is it a fair and accurate way to engage other people by working on prejudicial assumptions, even when one can back up those assumptions with examples, even a massive amount of examples? Ignoring all bigger conversations that could emerge from what I'm saying here, simple question: How do you want to be treated? How would you feel if someone treated you as a statistic or as a blank face representative of a group? I assume that you, like almost everyone else, wants to be treated as yourself--that you aren't just a number, but a face, a person with feelings and thoughts, and an entire lived experience that is uniquely your own.

While there is a lot, I think, that could be expanded upon in what I've said above; the real point I'm trying to get at is actually pretty simple: The dangers of confirmation bias and prejudicial thinking.

That is to say: Of choosing to interpret people through an assumption or set of assumptions about a group; accepting ideas and statements which selectively confirm what one already thinks and believes; and without allowing assumptions to be seriously challenged.

-CryptoLutheran

EDIT: I've modified some what I've said and tried to make things more clear and coherent.
I posted another video that showed people marching and chanting “We’re here we’re queer and we’re coming for your children “. I don’t think that was meant to be funny. There is a radical element in the movement that are very aggressive. Does this include all LGBTQ people? Of course not. None of the ones I know would support that
 
Upvote 0

Divide

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2017
2,577
1,230
63
Columbus
✟96,221.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
It's the very reason for the thread. And it ended up being an excellent example of people accepting lies because it's what they want to believe.

You know, your right. I never watched that video. It...looked like dog poop to me so I walked around it.
 
Upvote 0

Divide

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2017
2,577
1,230
63
Columbus
✟96,221.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Do you believe that your attitude here is what St. Paul had in mind when he wrote, "Have this same mind in you that was in Christ Jesus"?

-CryptoLutheran

I'm not a perfect Christian. I try. It is what it is.
 
Upvote 0

childeye 2

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
5,898
3,324
67
Denver CO
✟241,240.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
As a Christian do you see fornication being moral if it's based on love?
When Love is understood as a self-sacrifice for others in contrast to lust, then it counters the carnal impetus to fornicate.
 
Upvote 0

ozso

Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
28,171
15,279
PNW
✟981,150.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
You know, your right. I never watched that video. It...looked like dog poop to me so I walked around it.
The reason for the video was to see what people thought about it. I posted a transcript of the actual original lyrics, which was discussed far more than the part that was added onto it. Then there's all the "we're coming for your children" chanting during LGBTQ+ pride parades. And also the videos posted of drag queens pole dancing in skimpy Victoria's Secret type lingerie and leather bondage outfits to audiences of children.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Divide
Upvote 0

Divide

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2017
2,577
1,230
63
Columbus
✟96,221.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Do you believe that your attitude here is what St. Paul had in mind when he wrote, "Have this same mind in you that was in Christ Jesus"?

-CryptoLutheran

You guys remind me of telephone soliciters. You try to speak to them and they ignore it and go on with their script. Are you scripted?

Don't you think that my attitude is being influenced by how all of you gays speak? You guys arent on this Christian website looking for forgiveness or a way out of your sin or the Lord. In this very thread one of you guys told me you don't want to hear that stuff.

Do you want to see me with a better disposition towards you gays? How about...DING! being nice youeselves? Politeness, Being more friendly in your own speech patterns! Wow, what a concept.

Remember in scripture where the girl was following the group of disciples around? They asked Jesus what to do and then they sent her away from them. You see, she could talk psuedo nicely but her heart was not with them, it was against them. They all knew what was going on! Sound familiar yet?

Do you think I can not hear the underlying hostility from you gays in your posts? And frankly, I don't like it. Now I know how David felt when he heard Goliath putting down their God. He wanted to stand up for his God and his people.

Hi There! :)
 
  • Like
Reactions: ozso
Upvote 0

ozso

Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
28,171
15,279
PNW
✟981,150.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
When Love is understood as a self-sacrifice for others in contrast to lust, then it counters the carnal impetus to fornicate.
Bringing someone with you into the sin of sexual immorality, is neither sacrifice nor love. The way you show true godly love for someone is to keep them from sin, not getting them to engage in it with you. Nor is encouraging anyone in any way to commit sin or condoning their sin an act of love. It's leading them down the broad road to destruction.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Divide
Upvote 0

BPPLEE

Well-Known Member
Apr 13, 2022
16,060
7,504
61
Montgomery
✟255,155.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
The reason for the video was to see what people thought about it. I posted a transcript of the actual original lyrics, which was discussed far more than the part that was added onto it. Then there's all the "we're coming for your children" chanting during LGBTQ+ pride parades. And also the videos posted of drag queens pole dancing in skimpy Victoria's Secret type lingerie and leather bondage outfits to audiences of children.
I think most conservatives were fine with tolerance and acceptance it’s when it rises to the level of “You must celebrate us and teach our lifestyles to your children or else you’re a bigot “ that most people take issue with. This is bound to cause backlash
 
Upvote 0

ozso

Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
28,171
15,279
PNW
✟981,150.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
I think most conservatives were fine with tolerance and acceptance it’s when it rises to the level of “You must celebrate us and teach our lifestyles to your children or else you’re a bigot “ that most people take issue with. This is bound to cause backlash
Yes indeed.
 
Upvote 0

Divide

Well-Known Member
Apr 19, 2017
2,577
1,230
63
Columbus
✟96,221.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
I think most conservatives were fine with tolerance and acceptance it’s when it rises to the level of “You must celebrate us and teach our lifestyles to your children or else you’re a bigot “ that most people take issue with. This is bound to cause backlash

There's a passage in Galatians 4...

16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?.../

It seems like us Christians are being made out to be the enemy when it is but the truth that we speak.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: ozso
Upvote 0

childeye 2

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
5,898
3,324
67
Denver CO
✟241,240.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Bringing someone with you into the sin of sexual immorality, is neither sacrifice nor love. The way you show true godly love for someone is to keep them from sin, not getting them to engage in it with you. Nor is encouraging anyone in any way to commit sin or condoning their sin an act of love. It's leading them down the broad road to destruction.
Exactly, which is why the factual and observable differences between lust and Love should be taught in schools.
 
Upvote 0

ozso

Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
28,171
15,279
PNW
✟981,150.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Exactly, which is why the factual and observable differences between lust and Love should be taught in schools.
That's not a reason to immerse little kids in transgenderism and multiple sexual orientations. And we as Christians should in no way be condoning, encouraging, nor defending it. It's something we should feel obligated to speak out against.
 
Upvote 0

ozso

Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
28,171
15,279
PNW
✟981,150.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
There's a passage in Galatians 4...

16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?.../

It seems like us Christians are being made out to be the enemy when it is but the truth that we speak.
Just as Christ told us would happen.
 
Upvote 0

childeye 2

Well-Known Member
Aug 18, 2018
5,898
3,324
67
Denver CO
✟241,240.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
That's not a reason to immerse little kids in transgenderism and multiple sexual orientations. And we as Christians should in no way be condoning, encouraging, nor defending it. It's something we should feel obligated to speak out against.
There is an age appropriate to learn about it. There's no reason to fear talking about it. Not only should observable factual truth be taught in schools simply because that's what the term education implies, but also because the powers of spiritual darkness exist in the soul through ignorance of truth. Psychosis is about being out of touch with reality even as lust forms in a vain imagination.

Proverbs 4:19
19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

ozso

Site Supporter
Oct 2, 2020
28,171
15,279
PNW
✟981,150.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
There is an age appropriate to learn about it. There's no reason to fear talking about it. Not only should observable factual truth be taught in schools simply because that's what the term education implies, but also because the powers of spiritual darkness exist in the soul through ignorance of truth. Psychosis is about being out of touch with reality even as lust forms in a vain imagination.

Proverbs 4:19

19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

Stop playing around. You should know that it's wrong.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.