What are your thoughts on this?

[Divide]

There have always been non-effeminate gay men. How is not being effeminate part of an agenda?

That's just part of it. They are different now than they used to be was the point. Nowadays they are agressive and don't hardly ever shut up They have something to say about everything. And if you don't see it their way then you are not a good christian because there was no love....
Giimmee a break man. I already said I can recognize dog poop when I see it, or hear it as the case may be lol.

You know what else? The internet is blowing up with gays and all of them are like, everyone loves us why can't you? Everyone is doing it it's ok. We love God too and blah blah blah.

When back in reality, us christians are not intentionally offensive, but the fact is that truth stings sometimes, even for us. But we must speak the truth in love as warning to the lost souls. You gays havent thought being gay out too much have you? You've heard the truth and know it in the core of your being. Scripture says that. There will be no excuse.

Being gay is just a sin. It does separate you from God as rebellion tends to do, but it's no different in scope as anyones sins. I just didn't turn gay and I saw how special women areSo I didn't have to deal with that sin. I had other sins. So we are all on the same playing field. And after God saved my life, I got to know Him some and He is not an angry God. He is a nice guy!

Ok, I digress. Here's where they turn my post into hate speech lol!

In the future Christianity will be a Capitol Offense, so do be careful how much you trust gays (And other type sinners).

 

[BPPLEE]

A great deal of live and let live was established a good twenty years ago.

But that wasn't enough.

LGBT went on to become LGBTQQIP2SAA+ which has to be promoted and celebrated.

And now little kids need to be thoroughly involved in it.

Now there needs to be a whole LGBTQQIP2SAA+ curriculum for little kids.

Now we need LGBTQQIP2SAA+ to make little kids be nice to everyone.

We need LGBTQQIP2SAA+ to reshape society at the kindergarten level to make the world a better place.

I wasn’t talking about you.
I don’t support a lot of things some of them and their advocates are trying to do, but I don’t believe in mistreating or discriminating against anyone

 

[ozso]

I wasn’t talking about you.

I know.

I don’t support a lot of things some of them and their advocates are trying to do, but I don’t believe in mistreating or discriminating against anyone

Like I said, pretty good progress was made along those lines. But then it went overboard way beyond that, with little kids suddenly being the focal point. And that's why there's been such an uproar.

 

[Bradskii]

I realize that there is someone posting in this in this thread that is the epitome of the stereotype that you would like to label everyone who doesn’t support teaching young children things that they are too young for, but not all of us are homophobic bigots who just wish LGBTQ people would stay in the closet.
Some of us have legitimate concerns but don’t support discrimination or trying to dehumanize some people because they are different.

I do my very best not to stereotype anyone who classes themselves as Christians based on any one person's homophobic bigotry. But you are going to have to admit that they are far from being exceptional, which makes my struggle a lot harder than it should be.

And it doesn't have to be outright bigotry. The post a couple above this one is an example of stereotyping complete with the constant use of the cut and paste alphabetical soup (4 times in 5 sentences) which is used for no other reason than to insinuate that gee, look at them all! They're all coming for the kids! Won't someone please think of the children!

Tell me if you think that that is conducive to discussing legitimate concerns. Because from where I'm standing, it most definitely is not. I can see in a lot of your posts that you are trying to crank back that type of generic 'gays are bad' self righteous nonsense. Hopefully others will follow suit. And yes, there are genuine concerns. Homophobic bigotry being one of them. So thanks for calling that out.

 

[BPPLEE]

I do my very best not to stereotype anyone who classes themselves as Christians based on any one person's homophobic bigotry. But you are going to have to admit that they are far from being exceptional, which makes my struggle a lot harder than it should be.

And it doesn't have to be outright bigotry. The post a couple above this one is an example of stereotyping complete with the constant use of the cut and paste alphabetical soup (4 times in 5 sentences) which is used for no other reason than to insinuate that gee, look at them all! They're all coming for the kids! Won't someone please think of the children!

Tell me if you think that that is conducive to discussing legitimate concerns. Because from where I'm standing, it most definitely is not. I can see in a lot of your posts that you are trying to crank back that type of generic 'gays are bad' self righteous nonsense. Hopefully others will follow suit. And yes, there are genuine concerns. Homophobic bigotry being one of them. So thanks for calling that out.

You are correct and there are also some LGBTQ people that are extreme and you can’t judge them all by the actions of some.
I don’t agree with teaching young children things that they are too young for or encouraging them to transition without their parents knowledge but everyone is going to have to accept that LGBTQ have made a lot of progress and things are not going to go back to the way they used to be.
I don’t agree with them but it’s not my place to tell them what to do with their lives either. If the only Christians they’ve ever known are pointing their fingers at them yelling “Sinner “ that’s sure not going to win anyone over.
I hope the ones that I know would tell you that I treated them just like anyone else and that we get along fine.
There is a radical movement of some that are marching and chanting and some of them seem to love shocking people and being in your face. But those are not the ones that I know.
My mother is elderly and still lives by herself. There are two women who live next door to her who appear to be in a relationship.
But they look out for her, went to the grocery store for her when she fell and broke her leg, call me if anything is wrong and I gave them a key and I can call them when I can’t reach my mother and they will check on her. They are everything a good neighbor should be. So I don’t think all LGBTQ people are like the radical zealots who seem to love shocking people
We all have to learn to live together and there are some people that make all of us look bad

 

[ViaCrucis]

Only if you want to deny everything that's going on with LGBTQQIP2SAA+.

I make it a rule for myself not to believe in conspiracy theories. Especially conspiracy theories that are designed for the explicit purpose to hate and encourage violence against my neighbor.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ozso]

I make it a rule for myself not to believe in conspiracy theories. Especially conspiracy theories that are designed for the explicit purpose to hate and encourage violence against my neighbor.

-CryptoLutheran

A lot of what I know about it I've learned from LGBTQQIP2SAA+ sources. Are you really expecting good to come from a purely worldly organization that's focused on abstract sexuality? There's a line between loving your neighbor and embracing your neighbor's worldliness. Or turning a blind eye to it.

 

[childeye 2]

But you're on a thread discussing homosexuality which was set up to criticize gay people. The OP itself shows a fabricated video which purports to link members of a choir with paedophiles. It's outrageous that someone should consider that a reflection of gay people. The vast majority of whom, just like heterosexual people, are living normal lives trying to get by. But what they all have to put up with are threads like this when they are all described as being sinful and obscene. Even to the point where someone is calling for any teacher who is gay to be sacked. That all gay people lie. That all gay people are sexually interested in children.

That's the obscenity here.

I agree with you, the video is propaganda and is meant to provoke people. I believe this is where it is wisdom to turn the other cheek and try to return good for evil.

Jesus taught that the leaven of the Pharisees is a hypocrisy rooted in self-righteousness:

Luke 18: 9-12
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[ozso]

You are correct and there are also some LGBTQ people that are extreme and you can’t judge them all by the actions of some.
I don’t agree with teaching young children things that they are too young for or encouraging them to transition without their parents knowledge but everyone is going to have to accept that LGBTQ have made a lot of progress and things are not going to go back to the way they used to be.
I don’t agree with them but it’s not my place to tell them what to do with their lives either. If the only Christians they’ve ever known are pointing their fingers at them yelling “Sinner “ that’s sure not going to win anyone over.
I hope the ones that I know would tell you that I treated them just like anyone else and that we get along fine.
There is a radical movement of some that are marching and chanting and some of them seem to love shocking people and being in your face. But those are not the ones that I know.
My mother is elderly and still lives by herself. There are two women who live next door to her who appear to be in a relationship.
But they look out for her, went to the grocery store for her when she fell and broke her leg, call me if anything is wrong and I gave them a key and I can call them when I can’t reach my mother and they will check on her. They are everything a good neighbor should be. So I don’t think all LGBTQ people are like the radical zealots who seem to love shocking people
We all have to learn to live together and there are some people that make all of us look bad

Gay people aren't on my mind much. They're just some of all of the lost people in this world. It's the sudden involvement of little kids in the transgender transsexual multi-sexual orientation rabbit hole that's the problem.

 

[ozso]

I agree with you, the video is propaganda and is meant to provoke people. I believe this is where it is wisdom to turn the other cheek and try to return good for evil.

I replaced it with the original version. This one is the best copy I could find that doesn't have any commentary added to it.

Jesus taught that the leaven of the Pharisees is a hypocrisy rooted in self-righteousness:

Luke 18: 9-12
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Speaking out against the LGBTQQIP2SAA+ organization putting so much into involving little kids does not make one a Pharisee. That's a lie being spread around to get Christians to shut up about it.

 

[Whyayeman]

And yes, they are all liars and I have proved it, yet you will not see it.

You have proved nothing of the sort. Now you are making yourself look absurd.

 

[Divide]

I do my very best not to stereotype anyone who classes themselves as Christians based on any one person's homophobic bigotry. But you are going to have to admit that they are far from being exceptional, which makes my struggle a lot harder than it should be.

And it doesn't have to be outright bigotry. The post a couple above this one is an example of stereotyping complete with the constant use of the cut and paste alphabetical soup (4 times in 5 sentences) which is used for no other reason than to insinuate that gee, look at them all! They're all coming for the kids! Won't someone please think of the children!

Tell me if you think that that is conducive to discussing legitimate concerns. Because from where I'm standing, it most definitely is not. I can see in a lot of your posts that you are trying to crank back that type of generic 'gays are bad' self righteous nonsense. Hopefully others will follow suit. And yes, there are genuine concerns. Homophobic bigotry being one of them. So thanks for calling that out.

This thread was started to criticize gays? You better go read post #1 again, lol. This was supposed to e a gay cheerleading thread but it sort of got away from you guys, didn't it?

Makes your struggle harder than it should be? Oh pray tell what is harder than it should be? Your agenda? Your recruitment progam? 6 months or a year ago your job was going more smoothly for you, wasn't it

What happened? Have more Christians become more enlightened and able to see the dog poop that you shovel? If you, as a gay can say, I'm gay and my choices should be respected by Christians, then why can't you respect Christians who hold their own views?

 

[Divide]

You have proved nothing of the sort. Now you are making yourself look absurd.

I'm sorry that got confused.

And once again...I don't care how I look to you or anyone else. I am not in a popularity contest here. You the one on the Gay Cheerleading squad.

 

[childeye 2]

I replaced it with the original version. This one is the best copy I could find that doesn't have any commentary added to it.

Speaking out against the LGBTQQIP2SAA+ organization putting so much into involving little kids does not make one a Pharisee. That's a lie being spread around to get Christians to shut up about it.

I can appreciate your response (see post #590). However, I believe it would be more accurate to have said the above this way, "Speaking out against any LGBTQQIP2SAA+ community putting so much into involving little kids does not necessarily make one a Pharisee". Saying it this way avoids inferring people are liars who warn about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees in this circumstance, which also avoids muddying the waters.

To be as wise as a serpent and as gentle as a lamb means to me that we must consider that Satan as both an accuser and tempter can present himself as an angel of light in both opposing subjective narratives. I believe the semantics are parsed correctly in sentiments that project virtue as a power that is by grace through faith in the Christ as opposed to being apprehended through the works of the law. Any sentiments that suggest otherwise are going to contain condemnation since no flesh is justified by the works of the law.

As generalizations, I currently see two sides claiming (1) The law should reflect that it's not okay to discriminate against LGBTQQIP2SAA+ based on one's religious beliefs (2) The law should reflect that it is okay to discriminate against LGBTQQIP2SAA+ based on one's religious beliefs.

The way this is framed therefore contains a false premise which will end in hypocrisy either way.

This however is not hypocritical: People should learn and teach their children the difference between Love and lust.

 

[childeye 2]

I'm sorry that got confused.

And once again...I don't care how I look to you or anyone else. I am not in a popularity contest here. You the one on the Gay Cheerleading squad.

Like most Christians I would think you care how you look to God. That is what matters even though it is said that God is no respecter of persons. Personally, I like that boldness in a person that says what they feel needs to be said knowing they will be criticized and even persecuted, so long as we don't devour one another in our boldness due to a lack of temperance. No doubt the Holy Spirit was with Paul when he boldly said this about how we look to God.

2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

The point is that any virtue in mankind is God's Spirit; if any man glory let him glory in the Lord.

 

[ViaCrucis]

A lot of what I know about it I've learned from LGBTQQIP2SAA+ sources. Are you really expecting good to come from a purely worldly organization that's focused on abstract sexuality? There's a line between loving your neighbor and embracing your neighbor's worldliness. Or turning a blind eye to it.

Well, seeing as non-hetero/non-cis people aren't an organization.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Bradskii]

This thread was started to criticize gays? You better go read post #1 again...

I guess you didn't watch the original video. Which was assembled by some low life bigot who thought he could convince people that the men in that San Fran choir were paedophiles. And so many accepted it as being true. Because they wanted it to be true. It suited their personal narrative.

It was a despicable lie. And shown to be so. The only purpose it served was to show firstly how gullible some people are and secondly, how their attitude to gay people overrides any sense of decency they might have had.

 

[Divide]

Like most Christians I would think you care how you look to God. That is what matters even though it is said that God is no respecter of persons. Personally, I like that boldness in a person that says what they feel needs to be said knowing they will be criticized and even persecuted, so long as we don't devour one another in our boldness due to a lack of temperance. No doubt the Holy Spirit was with Paul when he boldly said this about how we look to God.

2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

The point is that any virtue in mankind is God's Spirit; if any man glory let him glory in the Lord.

Who's condemning anyone? I havent. I'm sure not sitting in glory either, lol. I will glory in the Lord and if somehow I touch even one ersons heart and that causes them to turn to the Lord, then I have did my job.

The gay cheerleaders always try to make it sound like us Christians need to walk in love and tolerance of others. And I still havent found in scripture where it says, be tolerant to sinners in their sin...

WHo cares what they think of me.

 

[ViaCrucis]

A lot of what I know about it I've learned from LGBTQQIP2SAA+ sources. Are you really expecting good to come from a purely worldly organization that's focused on abstract sexuality? There's a line between loving your neighbor and embracing your neighbor's worldliness. Or turning a blind eye to it.

Genuine question: Do you consider the satirical song that's been the center of this thread to be one of those sources, or an example of those kinds of sources?

Because if so, that would lead me to think that the way you ingest information on this topic is through a highly prejudicial filter.

Imagine, for example, if one assumed all Christians are violent religious fanatics. Now imagine the kind of sources one might be using, even "Christian sources"--after all, Westboro Baptist Church does exist. Now, also imagine, you came across satire poking fun of the idea that all Christians are violent fanatics--but instead of perceiving the satire for what it's saying you instead filtered that through your own prejudicial assumptions about Christians.

After all, Christians are violent religious fanatics: The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Rhineland Massacre, the Salem Witch Trials, Westboro Baptist Church. I mean, none of that paints a good picture of people who call themselves Christian. And sure, maybe you've met Christians who don't fit that view you have of them, but you can find ways to compartmentalize that. A handful of maybe-okay Christians doesn't really change the fact that Christians are bad people. You have plenty of examples, and you can find Christian sources to back up your feelings and thoughts.

Does that make Christians, by default, violent religious fanatics? Does even a preponderance of evidence of Christians acting like violent fanatics make Christians--by default--violent fanatics? Is it a fair and accurate way to engage other people by working on prejudicial assumptions, even when one can back up those assumptions with examples, even a massive amount of examples? Ignoring all bigger conversations that could emerge from what I'm saying here, simple question: How do you want to be treated? How would you feel if someone treated you as a statistic or as a blank face representative of a group? I assume that you, like almost everyone else, wants to be treated as yourself--that you aren't just a number, but a face, a person with feelings and thoughts, and an entire lived experience that is uniquely your own.

While there is a lot, I think, that could be expanded upon in what I've said above; the real point I'm trying to get at is actually pretty simple: The dangers of confirmation bias and prejudicial thinking.

That is to say: Of choosing to interpret people through an assumption or set of assumptions about a group; accepting ideas and statements which selectively confirm what one already thinks and believes; and without allowing assumptions to be seriously challenged.

-CryptoLutheran

EDIT: I've modified some what I've said and tried to make things more clear and coherent.

 

[Divide]

I guess you didn't watch the original video. Which was assembled by some low life bigot who thought he could convince people that the men in that San Fran choir were paedophiles. And so many accepted it as being true. Because they wanted it to be true. It suited their personal narrative.

It was a despicable lie. And shown to be so. The only purpose it served was to show firstly how gullible some people are and secondly, how their attitude to gay people overrides any sense of decency they might have had.

Whatever. That's irrevelant anyway because as soon as as all you gays picked up your shovel and started spewing dog poop to recruit for your gay club the thread took off on it's own.