What are your thoughts on this?

[Whyayeman]

I agree in part but labeling disagreement as hate is just a tactic to poison the well of people who disagree with you

I do not label disagreement as hate. Yet I do detect hatred in some posts.

 

[BPPLEE]

I do not label disagreement as hate. Yet I do detect hatred in some posts.

That’s probably true on just about every thread

 

[Whyayeman]

That’s probably true on just about every thread

And the hatred here is for transgender issues - and people. It is only just below the surface.

 

[BPPLEE]

And the hatred here is for transgender issues - and people. It is only just below the surface.

I don’t hate them.

 

[Divide]

Nor does it mean they are. Perhaps it's better to make that assessment based upon facts, not upon prejudices.

There's no prejudices. That's jst how I talk, lol.

Wants some facts?

This report estimates that, at any given time in 2021, approximately 27.6 million people were in forced labor. Of these, “17.3 million are exploited in the private sector, 6.3 million in forced commercial sexual exploitation, and 3.9 million in forced labour imposed by state.”

That's the United States alone. Have you seen Sound of Freedom yet? It's getting worse. They so too are after the children

 

[Tinker Grey]

Anybody remember the satanic panic? Yeah, it didn't happen.

(Well, the panic was real. It's fears were unfounded.)

 

[BPPLEE]

Anybody remember the satanic panic? Yeah, it didn't happen.

(Well, the panic was real. It's fears were unfounded.)

I don’t remember Satanists making videos saying they were coming for the children or marching and chanting that

 

[Bradskii]

Yeah but it being a hoax does not mean that they are not coming for your children.

We should be worried about those that actually believed the hoax because they wanted it to be true.

 

[Bradskii]

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[Bradskii]

I have to agree with you but in this case it’s not easy to find a balance between protecting some children and the parents 14th amendment rights

I think you'll find that the solution lies with the parents.

Let's say there was a 'Parenting School' where you were taught how to be good parents. And one exercise they had you do was what was to consider what your reaction might be if you found that your child would prefer to talk to a member of staff at their school regarding what they considered to be an important matter rather than you. Maybe we could make it multiple choice.

A: Ignore it, it'll all blow over.
B: It all depends on the matter at hand.
C: Ensure that the relationship between you and your child would mean that they would turn to you first.
D: Join with some like minded parents, get a lawyer and go to court to demand that you are kept informed.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think you'll find that the solution lies with the parents.

Let's say there was a 'Parenting School' where you were taught how to be good parents. And one exercise they had you do was what was to consider what your reaction might be if you found that your child would prefer to talk to a member of staff at their school regarding what they considered to be an important matter rather than you. Maybe we could make it multiple choice.

A: Ignore it, it'll all blow over.
B: It all depends on the matter at hand.
C: Ensure that the relationship between you and your child would mean that they would turn to you first.
D: Join with some like minded parents, get a lawyer and go to court to demand that you are kept informed.

One of the problems is that parents are competing with their children’s peers, music, television, movies, commercials and now schools

 

[Bradskii]

One of the problems is that parents are competing with their children’s peers, music, television, movies, commercials and now schools

Gee, life moves on, doesn't it.

For someone who grew up in the sixties when there were vastly more changes going on than I have seen since, we all came out of it OK. We all wore shoulder length hair, beads and cheese cloth shirts, smoked the wrong sort of cigarettes, listened to music that called for a revolution in ideas, raged against authority, wanted more sex, less listening to 'the man'...it went on and on. But we all came out of it ok. Primarily in my case because my parents rolled their eyes and gritted their teeth and relied on me to have understood the basic sense of morality that they had taught me.

To be honest, after all that, what kids are going through these days seems almost a little tame. Nothing mine did exceeded anything I did. And in most cases weren't half as bad. The differences between myself and my kids were negligible compared to those between me and my father. He simply didn't understand. I guess I understood better when it came to my two. So we all grew together as friends eventually as well as parents and children. We all see each other regularly - and I mean a couple of times a week socially at least. Lucky? I guess.

But that's what people should be aiming for - getting close to your children whilst still allowing them as much freedom as possible. Even if in my case it was perhaps more luck than judgement. Then a lot of these problems become less of a problem for the child. And more a problem to be solved by the family.

 

[BPPLEE]

Gee, life moves on, doesn't it.

For someone who grew up in the sixties when there were vastly more changes going on than I have seen since, we all came out of it OK. We all wore shoulder length hair, beads and cheese cloth shirts, smoked the wrong sort of cigarettes, listened to music that called for a revolution in ideas, raged against authority, wanted more sex, less listening to 'the man'...it went on and on. But we all came out of it ok. Primarily in my case because my parents rolled their eyes and gritted their teeth and relied on me to have understood the basic sense of morality that they had taught me.

To be honest, after all that, what kids are going through these days seems almost a little tame. Nothing mine did exceeded anything I did. And in most cases weren't half as bad. The differences between myself and my kids were negligible compared to those between me and my father. He simply didn't understand. I guess I understood better when it came to my two. So we all grew together as friends eventually as well as parents and children. We all see each other regularly - and I mean a couple of times a week socially at least. Lucky? I guess.

But that's what people should be aiming for - getting close to your children whilst still allowing them as much freedom as possible. Even if in my case it was perhaps more luck than judgement. Then a lot of these problems become less of a problem for the child. And more a problem to be solved by the family.

How many transgender people did you know in the 60s? Let me be more specific, how many 12 year old transgender people did you know?

 

[Bradskii]

How many transgender people did you know in the 60s? Let me be more specific, how many 12 year old transgender people did you know?

I didn't know any that would admit to wanting to be transgender. Then again I didn't know anyone who admitted to being gay. Because then I would have described it as obscene. As degenerate. They would have been figures of fun. Shame on me.

Actually, there was guy in my school who we thought was gay. He took some stick for it as I remember. But he was a few years above me so I didn't have any interaction with him. I found out years later that his mother found him hanging in the garage when he was twenty.

You really think we would have grown out of those sort of attitudes by now. But now I'll ask you one. How many people do you know of who have described both transgenderism and homosexuality as being obscene and degenerate?

 

[BPPLEE]

I didn't know any that would admit to wanting to be transgender. Then again I didn't know anyone who admitted to being gay. Because then I would have described it as obscene. As degenerate. They would have been figures of fun. Shame on me.

Actually, there was guy in my school who we thought was gay. He took some stick for it as I remember. But he was a few years above me so I didn't have any interaction with him. I found out years later that his mother found him hanging in the garage when he was twenty.

You really think we would have grown out of those sort of attitudes by now. But now I'll ask you one. How many people do you know of who have described both transgenderism and homosexuality as being obscene and degenerate?

Personally not any but I’ve seen it on the forums. It’s not something I talk about in the real world

 

[BPPLEE]

We should be worried about those that actually believed the hoax because they wanted it to be true.

We should be worried about the people making excuses for it

 

[Whyayeman]

Personally not any but I’ve seen it on the forums. It’s not something I talk about in the real world

I think that is pretty significant. No first-hand experience at all.

While we are reminiscing, I have to agree with Bradskii about the sixties. The UK of the Beatles and Rolling Stones was a foreign country to my father. He was bemused and contemptuous of the music and their lifestyles. People saw these liberating and liberated days as the end of civilisation. No doubt some still do. I remember the fifties. They were grey.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think that is pretty significant. No first-hand experience at all.

While we are reminiscing, I have to agree with Bradskii about the sixties. The UK of the Beatles and Rolling Stones was a foreign country to my father. He was bemused and contemptuous of the music and their lifestyles. People saw these liberating and liberated days as the end of civilisation. No doubt some still do. I remember the fifties. They were grey.

No firsthand experience? What are you saying? You think that I don’t know any gay people?
I don’t talk about them the way @Bradskii was describing is what I said.

 

[Whyayeman]

It is what you said about transgender people.

 

[BPPLEE]

It is what you said about transgender people.

Asking someone how many 12 year old transgender people they knew in the 60s?