What are your thoughts on this?

[BPPLEE]

No, I'm using the ones you recommended. The ones that you say indicate the problem. The one's that you have personally chosen to illustrate the problem. And what are you batting so far? Is it none from five?

I picked random articles from an endless supply. I avoided Breitbart, Fox and the Daily Mail

 

[HARK!]

MOD HAT ON

MOD HAT OFF​

 

[Bradskii]

Maine Mom: School wrong to help, hide gender transition

A Maine woman is suing a school district saying a counselor encouraged her teen’s social gender transition without consulting her. The federal lawsuit argues parents’ rights trump state statutes allowing school counselors to keep student gender and sexuality information private. The mother says...

apnews.com

So now let's do AP.

The article itself is just from the point of view of the mother. Pending legal action prevented the school from commenting on what they described as “a grossly inaccurate and one-sided story”. But it's clear that the mother believes that she was not kept informed. But as the case was presented, we can see what the school had to say. From their motion to dismiss: Maine School Admits Giving 13yo Girl Chest Binder: Great Salt Bay Update - The Maine Wire

The Great Salt Bay Community does not have – nor has it ever had – an official policy, pattern or practice of concealing information from parents and it did not conceal information from the Plaintiff.

Defendants specifically deny that the Great Salt Bay Community School and the Great Salt Bay School Board had a policy of requiring concealment of information from Plaintiff.

Defendants specifically deny that the Great Salt Bay Community School and the Great Salt Bay School Board had a policy of requiring concealment of information from Plaintiff.

Defendants specifically deny that the Great Salt Bay Community School Transgender Student Guidelines are unconstitutional and further deny that the Guidelines provide for the concealment of a decision to provide “gender-affirming” care of any type to a student. Defendants further deny that information was concealed from the Plaintiff.

...it is the policy, pattern and practice of the Great Salt Bay School to work in partnership with parents regarding matters that affect their children.

Defendants agree that neither the Transgender Policy nor the Conduct Policy encourage withholding of information of any kind from parents and further Defendants state that these policies are intended to foster partnership not exclusion.

It can be plainly seen that the school not only has a policy to keep parents informed but they claim that they did so in this case. And offering these claims in court, you can bet your bottom dollar that they have the means to prove it. By email records, documents, records of meetings etc.

So if you want to believe the woman, go for it. Or you can go with statements produced in court. Guess which one I'm choosing. Now you're 0 for 6.

 

[Bradskii]

I picked random articles from an endless supply. I avoided Breitbart, Fox and the Daily Mail

Maybe you should spend more time investigating claims until you find one that has some connection with the point that you were trying to make. And less time throwing random articles against the wall to see if one or two stick. Yeah, it might take you longer. But it'll be great for your credibility.

And who knows. Some critical thought process might kick in when you have to keep rejecting ones that you thought might have been ok because of the click bait title.

 

[BPPLEE]

So now let's do AP.

The article itself is just from the point of view of the mother. Pending legal action prevented the school from commenting on what they described as “a grossly inaccurate and one-sided story”. But it's clear that the mother believes that she was not kept informed. But as the case was presented, we can see what the school had to say. From their motion to dismiss: Maine School Admits Giving 13yo Girl Chest Binder: Great Salt Bay Update - The Maine Wire

The Great Salt Bay Community does not have – nor has it ever had – an official policy, pattern or practice of concealing information from parents and it did not conceal information from the Plaintiff.

Defendants specifically deny that the Great Salt Bay Community School and the Great Salt Bay School Board had a policy of requiring concealment of information from Plaintiff.

Defendants specifically deny that the Great Salt Bay Community School and the Great Salt Bay School Board had a policy of requiring concealment of information from Plaintiff.

Defendants specifically deny that the Great Salt Bay Community School Transgender Student Guidelines are unconstitutional and further deny that the Guidelines provide for the concealment of a decision to provide “gender-affirming” care of any type to a student. Defendants further deny that information was concealed from the Plaintiff.

...it is the policy, pattern and practice of the Great Salt Bay School to work in partnership with parents regarding matters that affect their children.

Defendants agree that neither the Transgender Policy nor the Conduct Policy encourage withholding of information of any kind from parents and further Defendants state that these policies are intended to foster partnership not exclusion.

It can be plainly seen that the school not only has a policy to keep parents informed but they claim that they did so in this case. And offering these claims in court, you can bet your bottom dollar that they have the means to prove it. By email records, documents, records of meetings etc.

So if you want to believe the woman, go for it. Or you can go with statements produced in court. Guess which one I'm choosing. Now you're 0 for 6.

I’m not 0 for 6 that’s just your opinion

 

[Bradskii]

I’m not 0 for 6 that’s just your opinion

You are free to discuss any of the links which I have mentioned. We can bang it about for a while and see what comes of it. Would you like to pick one?

 

[BPPLEE]

You are free to discuss any of the links which I have mentioned. We can bang it about for a while and see what comes of it. Would you like to pick one?

See post #216

 

[Bradskii]

See post #216

I can't access that article. I can't discuss something you present as evidence if I have no access to that evidence. I would have thought that to be obvious.

 

[BPPLEE]

I can't access that article. I can't discuss something you present as evidence if I have no access to that evidence. I would have thought that to be obvious.

You can’t discuss what I posted? And you dismiss any other article because they’re from a conservative source. Did it occur to you that many liberal sources simply aren’t reporting this?

 

[BPPLEE]

You can’t discuss what I posted? And you dismiss any other article because they’re from a conservative source. Did it occur to you that many liberal sources simply aren’t reporting this?

Florida School Hides Child’s ‘Gender Transition’—Goldwater Stands Up for Parents

A Florida mom and dad were shocked to find out that officials at their 13-year-old daughter’s middle school had secretly..

www.goldwaterinstitute.org

 

[Bradskii]

You can’t discuss what I posted? And you dismiss any other article because they’re from a conservative source. Did it occur to you that many liberal sources simply aren’t reporting this?

I cannot discuss an article that I cannot access. And what you post from it is not what I might obtain from the article. And if you tell me that I should get my info from unbiased sources then posting links from obviously biased sources - and I have given every indication why they should be considered such, is a waste of your time and mine.

And 'liberal sources' aren't reporting what you want me to see? So are you admitting it's only right wing media that you can use? And you tell me I shouldn't use them? Seems that you have a problem in finding access to what you need to make your point.

Again, if you want to talk about any article to which you have linked, then let's do it.

 

[BPPLEE]

I cannot discuss an article that I cannot access. And what you post from it is not what I might obtain from the article. And if you tell me that I should get my info from unbiased sources then posting links from obviously biased sources - and I have given every indication why they should be considered such, is a waste of your time and mine.

And 'liberal sources' aren't reporting what you want me to see? So are you admitting it's only right wing media that you can use? And you tell me I shouldn't use them? Seems that you have a problem in finding access to what you need to make your point.

Again, if you want to talk about any article to which you have linked, then let's do it.

I don’t remember telling you what source to use. You keep saying that. There’s no lack of articles on the subject maybe I should just post the search results for you?

 

[BPPLEE]

I don’t remember telling you what source to use. You keep saying that. There’s no lack of articles on the subject maybe I should just post the search results for you?

State 'framework' says students may begin gender transition 'at school without parent/guardian knowledge'

CBS 6 is taking a close look at new guidance from the State Ed

cbs6albany.com

 

[Bradskii]

Florida School Hides Child’s ‘Gender Transition’—Goldwater Stands Up for Parents

A Florida mom and dad were shocked to find out that officials at their 13-year-old daughter’s middle school had secretly..

www.goldwaterinstitute.org

Case dismissed in federal court. Let me know when you when you have details of the the state court action so that we can discuss exactly what occurred.

Judge dismisses lawsuit against Leon Schools that helped inspire 'Don't Say Gay' bill

A judge dismissed a lawsuit against Leon County Schools that alleged the district spoke to a teen about gender identity without the parents' permission.

www.tallahassee.com

 

[ozso]

I don’t remember telling you what source to use. You keep saying that. There’s no lack of articles on the subject maybe I should just post the search results for you?

Sounds like the thread is getting derailed.

 

[Bradskii]

State 'framework' says students may begin gender transition 'at school without parent/guardian knowledge'

CBS 6 is taking a close look at new guidance from the State Ed

cbs6albany.com

That link confirms exactly what I'd pointed out earlier. That the decision to inform parents rests with the pupil. Not the school. What you are presenting as evidence directly contradicts your position. 0 from...what? 8?

From now on in, to save you time, don't bother to post any more links. Pick any one of those that you have posted and we'll discuss it. Your call.

 

[Bradskii]

Sounds like the thread is getting derailed.

Sounds like you don't want to discuss the matter. In which case your opinion is of no importance.

 

[BPPLEE]

That link confirms exactly what I'd pointed out earlier. That the decision to inform parents rests with the pupil. Not the school. What you are presenting as evidence directly contradicts your position. 0 from...what? 8?

From now on in, to save you time, don't bother to post any more links. Pick any one of those that you have posted and we'll discuss it. Your call.

How does that contradict my position? I said children were transitioning without their parents knowledge, if the decision to inform the parents rests with the student then that is what’s happening. And the schools go along with it and parents are kept in the dark. How does that in any way contradict what I said?
You are 0 for 10 because that’s what is going on in every case. Just because a judge says it’s fine there are still plenty of parents who don’t think it’s fine.

 

[ozso]

How does that contradict my position? I said children were transitioning without their parents knowledge, if the decision to inform the parents rests with the student then that is what’s happening. And the schools go along with it and parents are kept in the dark. How does that in any way contradict what I said?
You are 0 for 10 because that’s what is going on in every case. Just because a judge says it’s fine there are still plenty of parents who don’t think it’s fine.

I think the main issue is that transsexualization and children is now going together like bacon and eggs.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think the main issue is that transsexualization and children is now going together like bacon and eggs.

My main issues are government deciding what is considered age appropriate material without the input of parents and schools allowing minors to transition and hiding it from the parents.