Hey lookie here!luke 11:52Woe to you, lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge: you entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in you hindered ..
matt23:13 But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither suffer you them that are entering to go in...
What about knowledge(knowing the will of God) and power(being able to do that will)...the scribes and pharisees had only knowledge but not the power to do it...
Unless we keep this thread directed at the real issue what we will have...
...Is E.O. and R.C.C. holding a UFC.
...While the Prots sit back with popcorn and laugh at the spectacle.
...Which was the intention of the thread in the 1st place IMO.
The real issue is: what are the keys (plural) to the kingdom of Heaven?
And if not "the authority to bind and loose" then who is given that authority and what does it mean?
http://www.christianforums.com/t4328528-3/#post29533818
Whatever you bind on earth, you have already bound in heaven
"Whatever you bind on earth, you have already bound in heaven" What does jesus mean by this, I need a simplified version of the bible because I don't understand Jesus's teachings, well some of them.
It happened a lot back then.Why was that thread closed...it didn't seem as hectic as all the other RC vs the other guys threads
I would have like to know the response to that last question....Did the "seventy" who were sent out have the same authority?
Yeah.....what I call the "dark ages"Guess they were using their authority to bind(close) it seems
What is the Office of the Keys?
The Office of the Keys is that special authority which Christ has given to His church on earth to forgive the sins of repentant sinners, but to withhold forgiveness from the unrepentant as long as they do not repent.
Where is this written?
This is what St John the Evangelist writes in chapter twenty: The Lord Jesus breathed on His disciples and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” [John 20:22–23]
What do you believe according to these words?
I believe that when the called ministers of Christ deal with us by His divine command, in particular when they exclude openly unrepentant sinners from the Christian congregation and absolve those who repent of their sins and want to do better, this is just as valid and certain, even in heaven, as if Christ our dear Lord dealt with us Himself.
The real issue is: what are the keys (plural) to the kingdom of Heaven?
And if not "the authority to bind and loose" then who is given that authority and what does it mean?
Yep, a chip off the ol' block in understanding that upon Yeshua as God in the flesh will this gospel be builtI see.
I did see it in this manner: Thou art (small stone) and upon this (great almighty ROCK) I will build my Church.
I began reading Acts through the other night and did not finish...
The real issue is: what are the keys (plural) to the kingdom of Heaven?
And if not "the authority to bind and loose" then who is given that authority and what does it mean?
You trusted that the person who baptized you was Christian, correct?
I mean... it would be silly to think that someone outside Christianity could baptize you into the Christian family, correct?
Could you force someone to baptize you?
The authority manifests itself in the giving or denying of the sacraments.
Forgive me...
Like OrthodoxyUSA said, the keys indicate authority....
...Of the sort that allows access to the King.
If you look at the incident recorded in Acts 15 the meaning of the Authority is clear...
...Binding and loosing authority.
...Which is given via God.
At the time of Acts 15 there was individuals who insisted that Christians....
...Were required to follow the law of Moses, Sabbath observance, unclean foods, etc.
...These individuals taught this was a matter of salvation.
"The Apostles" met & the Holy Spirit spoke through THEM....
...And the determination was carried throughout the Church.
...Because the determination was BINDING.
In this day and age a Prot would simply say the Church is invisible....
...And the Holy Spirit speaks to each Christian & convicts them as to the true teachings.
...Therefore provided an individual "really believes something" - it's true.
The notion is about as unBiblical as it gets....
I was baptized by THE HIGH PRIEST, in fact, I can trace my baptism directly to an Apostle.
Hebrews 3:1He baptized me in his water and I was born of his water and his Spirit:
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
[FONT="]Revelation 1:15[/FONT]
[FONT="]And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.[/FONT]
[FONT="]John 4:14[/FONT]
[FONT="]But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.[/FONT]
[FONT="]John 5:25[/FONT]
[FONT="]Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.[/FONT]
Does anyone other than God possess the authority to give such authority? Does this authority belong only to Apostles?
So you are saying that you have never been physically baptized.
I see.
Forgive me...
By having someone dunk me in water? No...
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
I was not baptized by John, but by the name of Jesus Christ.
You are making it up as you go.By having someone dunk me in water? No...
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
I was not baptized by John, but by the name of Jesus Christ.
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