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that if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:9-10 Now how does one gets saved according to words from God? Only how He states it.
Why does He draw those who aren't going to come? Why is drawing then ineffectual?On one hand it is certainly true that God's grace only comes by faith in Christ. However the second clause in your sentence (all will be condemned) is not necessarily true. John 12:32 states: And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to Myself." We know that Jesus met the first condition as he was in fact resurrected. That condition having been met, the conclusion then is that he will draw ALL men to himself. Jesus imposed no qualifications in this verse as all means all.
On one hand it is certainly true that God's grace only comes by faith in Christ. However the second clause in your sentence (all will be condemned) is not necessarily true. John 12:32 states: And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all to Myself." We know that Jesus met the first condition as he was in fact resurrected. That condition having been met, the conclusion then is that he will draw ALL men to himself. Jesus imposed no qualifications in this verse as all means all.
I think anyone who's heard the name and understood what it means- who knows who He is-would be be expected to profess that name, just as they'd, similarly, be expected to be unashamed of the gospel. Either way I don't base Christian theology on a verse or two. Whoever does God's will the best they can with the knowledge they have are for Him rather than against Him. The more knowledge they have the greater their opportunity to respond, and also the more culpability they will have for not responding. And as others have said, talk can be cheap anyway.How do you reconcile the idea that they can be saved without hearing the Name of Jesus with Paul's rhetorical question in Romans 10?
NIV Romans 10:14b And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?
I trust that the same merciful God who sent Christ to save a miserable wretch like me is the same merciful God who desires the salvation of all--and that He will act in accordance with His character as the just, loving, and kind God who is revealed to us in Jesus Christ our Lord.
That would be true but God would not be fooled.Ye must be born again. Liars can say anything without having faith.
Thanks for that. Could you also please list all the scriptures that you are referring to in this?Sorry, I did earlier.
Here's part of it ...
The early Christians - the ones who recognized the documents accepted as Scripture as being true and had a part in their canonization - took them to mean what they say.
That Christ descended into Hades (not hell, that's a poor translation), which is the place of the dead. That He preached to the spirits there. They left off the verse that also says He led captivity captive ... in other words He freed those souls that had been captive in Hades.
That's what the Scripture says, and that's what the early Christians took it to mean.
That would be true but God would not be fooled.
1. NoIn connection with John 12:32 i have some questions:
1. Are all drawn by Jesus to Himself in this life?
2. If not, will they be drawn to Him after death? And if yes, is there afterlife salvation?
3. In the case of those who left this life as unsaved unaccountable children & adults, will Jesus draw them to Himself in the afterlife?
4. Will they be given a choice to reject or accept Him then?
5. If yes, is there afterlife salvation available for such?
Drawing is not ineffectual. The word "draw" is from the Greek word helkó which literally means "drag." God will drag all men unto himself. This word picture is like the dragging of a fishing net. God is the ultimate fisher of men. This verse does not state WHEN God will helkó all men - only the fact that He will indeed do it. What God wills, he will indeed accomplish - if not in this lifetime - then in the next.Why does He draw those who aren't going to come? Why is drawing then ineffectual?
And this same love, I believe, is the very nature of God, and He "will act in accordance with His character as the just, loving, and kind God who is revealed to us in Jesus Christ our Lord", to quote Via Crucis, meaning IMO, that He will not allow those who've not heard the Word but who nonetheless strive to lead good lives to burn eternally in hell. Such would be inconsistent with the character of God. In Catholicism this lack of knowledge of God's Word is called "invincible ignorance", an ignorance that one is not responsible for having.
New American Standard Bible
There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.
King James Bible
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Does Christ Himself "enlighten" (Jn.1:9) every man in this life?
So true and remember the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:29-31 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. God sent Phillip to this man who was seeking Him and showed him the way and you even post on each post how you have been drawn to Him from the LDS, it was Him speaking to your heart and drawing you to himself. In the same way, when He draws the world, those who believe Him get saved and those who love the world reject Him, but Jesus is the light of the world and as John also wrote in John 1: 9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.I know that God isn't fooled, but it can happen and we can be fooled.
Drawing is not ineffectual. The word "draw" is from the Greek word helkó which literally means "drag." God will drag all men unto himself. This word picture is like the dragging of a fishing net. God is the ultimate fisher of men. This verse does not state WHEN God will helkó all men - only the fact that He will indeed do it. What God wills, he will indeed accomplish - if not in this lifetime - then in the next.
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