What about those who haven’t heard?

[Peter Adeshina Babalola]

The Bible teaches that a person is saved when they hear the gospel and respond with repentance and true belief in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13). It also teaches that belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Those who have been saved long to see others also saved. This often results in wrestling with a difficult question:

What happens to those who haven’t heard the Good News about Jesus?

Sometimes people try to use this question as a type of rhetorical weapon to demonstrate that Jesus can’t possibly be the only way of salvation. Oprah, echoing the thoughts of many before her, once asked the question in this way, as you can see in this 2 minute video clip (sorry, the picture is somewhat fuzzy, but the sound is clear):

So, what about those who haven’t heard? This is one of those questions which the Bible does not answer in an explicit, direct way. But that doesn’t mean the Bible does not address this question. Let’s consider what may be the most important passage on this issue. I encourage you to slow down and thoughtfully read this, even if you are already familiar with it:

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
11 As Scripture says, "Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame."
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"​

It’s as if God says, “You should be worried about those people who haven’t heard. Here’s My solution: YOU go tell them. If you can’t go, then give and pray so that someone else can go.”

Admittedly, that’s not the type of answer people are looking for. But it is the type of answer God gives in His Word, which means it is the best type of answer and the most important type of answer. It’s a practical answer, so let’s stop and think a little about some practical applications of the truth that is declared in the verses above.

Practical Application #1: People Who are Asking about those Who Haven’t Heard are People who Have Heard

If a non-Christian is asking about people who have never heard as an objection to the truth of the Bible (and I’ve heard it asked that way), it may help to gently remind them that they are not in that category. If God makes any special provisions for those who haven’t heard, these provisions would NOT apply to the person who is asking about them, since they obviously have heard the gospel. If they reject the gospel now, the Bible offers NO guarantee that they will have another chance tomorrow (Hebrews 3:15, Proverbs 27:1, Isaiah 55:6). Not only are they not in the category of people who have not had a chance to hear the gospel, most people who are asking about those who haven’t had a chance to hear have never met anyone in this category. Very likely all their friends, family members, coworkers, and neighbors have had and do have many chances to hear the Good News. It’s urgent that they accept God’s gracious offer of forgiveness and eternal life in Christ Jesus (Acts 2:40).

Practical Application #2: We Should Have a Passion to Spread the Gospel Where Christ is not yet Known

Paul certainly practiced what he preached. He himself had a burning passion to continually go to new areas where Christ is not yet known. A little later in Romans he writes:

NIV Romans 15:20a It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known,​

We’re not all called to go to unreached people groups, but we should each do what we can to support such work. This includes:

* Learning about the unreached.
* Training up Christians to go to the unreached.
* Financially supporting those who go.
* Praying for those who go (this is really important)
* Being open to go​

Practical Application #3: Working to Overcome Language Barriers in Difficult Areas

Today, the main barrier to people hearing the gospel is not geographic distance. The main barrier to hearing the gospel languages where the Bible is not available and where few, in any, who speak that language are sharing the gospel. By God’s grace there are now at least some Christians in every political nation in the world. But when the Jesus spoke of “all nations” in the Great Commission He was referring to all ethnic people groups, not merely all political nations. Some political nations have many different ethnic people groups living in them and these ethnic people groups often speak different languages. For example, we lived in Indonesia for fourteen years. Just on the island we lived on (Sulawesi) there are estimated to be over 100 different languages spoken. These are truly different languages, not merely different dialects (there are often multiple dialects of each of the languages!). Many of those over 100 local languages include many speakers who have not heard the gospel, and have very little or no opportunity to hear it in their language.

We’ve come a long way in completing the Great Commission, but there is still a long ways to go. The cost of completing our task is high. Most of the unreached live in areas where there is intense opposition to the gospel. There is a great need for more people willing to go long term because it takes years to learn a new language and culture and win people and disciple them.

I feel that these “practical applications” related to the Great Commission and its urgency are the most important thing we should get out of the Bible’s teaching about those who have not heard. But because so many people struggle with the theological implications of this teaching, I will go on to share a few more thoughts.

Dangerous Speculation

Some people speculate that perhaps people who live in remote areas and who die without a chance to hear the gospel will be given a chance to accept Jesus after they die. While the Bible does not explicitly rule this possibility out, we need to consider how this speculative solutions fits, or doesn’t fit, with the logic of Romans 10:9-15. When Paul asks, “how can they believe in Him whom they have not heard”, his solution is NOT that those people will get a chance after they die. In fact, the logic of needing to go and preach would be undermined if there were chances to believe after death.

An Analogy

Here’s my own version of an analogy I’ve heard elsewhere (but I don’t remember where or from whom):

Imagine there is a man in an apartment building. He lives on the 5th floor. His building catches on fire. By the time he wakes up the four floors below him are on fire and the floor above him is on fire and the fire is burning outside his apartment in the hallway. He’s trapped. Thankfully, a fire truck with a long ladder shows up. A fireman appears outside his window and calls him to come and escape.

The trapped man says, “I think there might be a hidden fireproof escape under the rug somewhere. I’ll look for that.”

The fireman yells, “How do you know it’s there? Did the builder of the apartments tell you it was there?”

The trapped man replies, “No, but it makes sense to me that there would be a fire escape under a trap door under the carpet.”

Should the man look for the fire escape just because it makes sense in his mind that there should be one? Shouldn’t he instead focus on the one way out (the fireman with the ladder)? Does it make sense for people to speculate on a chance for salvation after death? The Bible says nothing about that. The “builder” hasn’t told us such a thing exists. Shouldn’t we just focus on the means of salvation which God has made available? Namely, going and telling people now, in this life, the Good News.

How this Might All Harmonize with God’s Justice, Goodness, and Foreknowledge

Still, people are understandably concerned about those who died without hearing. But it is wrong to assume that the only way God can be fair and good to those people is if He gives them a chance to believe and be saved after death.

God has not revealed in detail how He is fair to those who die without hearing, but we should have no doubt that God is entirely just in all He does. “Will not the judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

We should remember that it is not unjust for God to judge people for their sins and destroy their bodies and souls in hell (Matthew 10:28). That is what ALL people deserve based on our sins (Romans 3:23, 6:23). But there might be more to it. For example, it is possible that God has used his foreknowledge to arrange the world in such a way that everyone who would benefit by hearing the gospel does indeed hear the gospel. The Bible does teach that God determines when and where people will live (Acts 17:26). He may place those who would not have believed even if they heard the gospel in times and locations where the gospel has not been available. It is a possibility. God might not explicitly tell us this because we might be tempted to wrongly interpret it as meaning our Great Commission is less urgent. I share this possibility not because I know this is how it works, but to counter the type of thinking I hear from some universalists and others that God essentially MUST give unsaved people a chance to repent after death or else God is not really just, good, and loving.

Conclusion

It is not wrong for us to be concerned about those who have not heard. In fact, it is right and Biblical to care about them. It is a sign of the Holy Spirit working in our hearts to move us to complete the Great Commission which Christ gave us. Nor do I think it is wrong to think about the theological and philosophical implications of this issue. But God’s main response is an urgently practical one. Our concern about this issue should first and foremost inspire us to make every effort and great sacrifices to go and share the gospel with the unreached. Jesus will be with us as we go (Matthew 28:20).

This was initially a post on my blog.

Awesome piece! Thanks

 

[Halbhh]

People who have not heard the gospel, for whatever reason, are explained in this verse:

Romans 1:20King James Version (KJV)

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

God will judge them by a righteous method that He is able to do.... Nobody will be "without excuse"
Nobody will be in heaven who does not meet the requirements of Gods righteous judging and nobody will be damned who does not deserve eternal separation from God....

Only He knows their hearts and He will not error on where every soul spends eternity.

Interesting. More direct and complete are the passages in post #24, 25 above.

 

[Halbhh]

I think the Bible DOES explain in an implicit way, that the non believers have a chance to be saved by their actions.

Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited due to grace but due to obligation.
Romans 4:4

Paul explains that, to who does good things, even if he doesn't know God, a pay is owed to him, because he did what pleases God.

For the law brings wrath, because where there is no law there is no transgression either.
Romans 4:15

People who don't know what pleases God, but acts according to their own perception of what's good, they have a chance to be saved too.

An even more direct passage to include is Romans chap 2 verses 6-16.

 

[Halbhh]

I think this questions God's fairness. If God is a perfect judge, wouldn't he judge people fairly? Would someone who has never heard of Jesus be responsible for responding to a message they haven't heard? If that is unfair, then God wouldn't do it.

So what about people who haven't heard? I would assume that God would judge fairly. If there were a verdict that wasn't fair, God wouldn't render it. If God judges someone and renders a verdict that eternally separates that someone from him, then it would only be because it was the deserved verdict.

This may not fully satisfy the question though - we're not privy to God's knowledge and so do have the required information to know how to judge "someone who hasn't heard." We can take comfort in knowing that God is Just and wouldn't judge someone unfairly. So if someone thinks that someone else is "going to hell" and it's believed that's an unfair assessment of their eternal destiny, then we can know that God wouldn't do it.

What I think we can know is that, if any of us are to be judged on our own merit, then we're in trouble. If we're to believe Paul, then:

Rom 3:10....“There is no one righteous, not even one,....3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

But people aren't unrighteous because they haven't heard and people don't fall short because they haven't heard a message. No, we would be unrighteous and fall short because of who we are and what we do. Hearing the message leads to salvation, but not-hearing doesn't cause damnation.

Paul wrote to answer exactly this very question (exactly even) in Romans chapter 2, verses 6-16. Romans 2:6 Context: who "will pay back to everyone according to their works:"

And it helps for the next question we wonder, if some (however few) may do fairly well without knowing the gospel, and many won't, then what about young children, and this one is answered by...let me just point above to the (short) post #25. (Some will then wonder about if there is another way for the dead who never heard of the gospel, see post #24)

 

[~Anastasia~]

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T

Too much to read. I will answer your question simply. In Rom 2 we read:

13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.​

Those who are ignorant about the Gospel of Christ will be judged whether dead or alive by their works according to their own consciences.

Everyone will be judged impartially and fairly. The ones who are wicked shall be destroyed.

Indeed, Romans 2 would seem to speak directly to the question.

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[Mark Corbett]

Joseph, thank you for your thoughtful interaction with this thread. I'll share a few thoughts about some of what you wrote.

This is definitely one of the questions that many non-believers bring up when I have a conversation about faith with them. This also goes hand in hand with the question "Do babies go to heaven?"

First (in order, and probably in importance), I thank God that you are having these types of discussions with unbelievers. I pray that God will draw them to His love in Christ through you. I pray that He will give you wisdom in how to respond to the difficult questions they ask and that like Christ you will be filled with grace and truth (John 1:14). While I go on to critique some other things you wrote, that critique is probably less important than my encouragement and prayer for you to keep gracefully and truthfully talking with unbelievers. May the Lord win many of them through you!

If you are aware of this verse:
"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6

Before Jesus came, only Jewish people went to heaven but through Jesus coming to this world, he reconciled the broken relationship between mankind and God. Also, through this verse we can really see that Jesus is the only way to Salvation. Without Jesus, everything would be meaningless.

Actually, there were non-Jewish people in the Old Testament who were saved through faith. Anyone who had true faith in the true God would have been saved. This certainly included some before the Jewish people (Noah, Enoch), and some who were outside but joined them (Rahab, Ruth). It very likely included some of the people who sincerely repented in Ninevah when Jonah preached (if they did not sincerely repent, at least some of the, why did God relent and not destroy the city?). It likely included many others who heard about the God of Israel and truly trusted Him.

Of course, even these people could only be saved because God knew Jesus would later die for their sins:

Romans 3:25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood-- to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished--
26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.​

You're main point, "Without Jesus everything would be meaningless" is well stated and entirely true!

If I was to derive my opinion strictly from the bible, it would most definitely not be the most appealing way to answer your question because I would say that those who don't believe in Jesus will most definitely go to hell. However, although it is not clearly stated to apply to salvation in the bible, the Word of God mentions numerous times of the mercy and the grace of God. In fact, the gospel, the Good News, is the testament of God's everlasting love for us.

When I first read the paragraph above I thought something like, "Wow, this guy is in trouble if he doesn't derive his opinion from the bible." But then rereading what you wrote, I think it is more likely that you meant to say something like this (correct me if I misinterpret you):

If I based my opinion only on those verses which most directly and explicitly address the issue, I would believe that those who don't believe in Jesus will most definitely go to hell. However, when I consider broad principles the Bible also teaches, like God's mercy and grace, I come to a different conclusion.

Is that what you meant? While I don't agree with your "different conclusion" I'm also trying to gracefully understand your reasoning.

Consider this perspective. You are approaching this question from asking how WE can get closer to God. Every other religion apart from Christianity is about how the followers of that specific religion can REACH closer to their god. The rituals and practices are there to essentially make themselves holier to be in the presence of God. Christianity, on the other hand, is strictly different. God, in his love for us, took form of man, and entered into this broken world, just to meet us and be in the presence of our sinfulness. HE CAME TO US.

Amen! God took the initiative and came to us. Amazing grace! And this does make Christianity far different from other belief systems. Joseph, what we agree on is more important, I feel, than our points of disagreement.

My point, therefore, is that he has a plan for all of us. The weak, the poor, the lost, the forgotten, the neglected, and every other person on this Earth. I also believe that God is just in his own way and so for us to even try to understand God's ways make me realize how prideful we are.

Yes, God has a plan for us. My main point in the OP is that God's revealed plan for those who have not heard is the Great Commission, i.e., for us to go and tell them, even at great cost.

A painting could never understand the painter. An invention could never understand the inventor. So for us to even attempt to understand or out reason our Creator's ways is not the way to approach our faith.

True. Doesn't this mean we should focus on what God has revealed to us (the Great Commission) and not on speculations about other ways for the unreached to be saved? Especially when those other "ways" are nowhere stated in the Bible and in fact seem to undermine the logic of Biblical passages like the one in Romans.

To sum it up, I think those who haven't had a chance to hear the name of Jesus are still children of God and that He in his mercy and love still has a plan for them even if we humans cannot grasp our minds around. We are not the one to judge because He is the ultimate judge.

This is where I most disagree with what you wrote. People only become children of God (in the saving sense) by hearing the gospel and believing it in their hearts. God's only revealed plan for those who haven't had a chance to hear is for us to go and tell them!

God Bless,

Joseph

God bless you, too! While I disagree with some specific things you wrote, again what we agree on is far more important. May God bless you as you continue to shine His light in this dark and needy world.

 

[Rescued One]

that is the worst thing that you could possibly say to an atheist. They don't know! After a lifetime surrounded by horrible people they are totally confused. "Common sense" means absolutely nothing. The ultimate nature of reality might be obvious to YOU but to them there isn't a single thing that can be trusted without frequent reinforcement and verification.

Imagine that you are growing up in an abusive household. You have no faith that mommy or daddy won't come home drunk and beat the snot out of you. That might come home sober or they might be a bat out of hell! That is what the universe looks like to them!

“Will not the judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25). Explain to me why my four living siblings and mother don't believe and don't want to.

 

[Randy777]

The Bible teaches that a person is saved when they hear the gospel and respond with repentance and true belief in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13). It also teaches that belief in Jesus is the only way to salvation (John 14:6; Acts 4:12). Those who have been saved long to see others also saved. This often results in wrestling with a difficult question:

What happens to those who haven’t heard the Good News about Jesus?

Sometimes people try to use this question as a type of rhetorical weapon to demonstrate that Jesus can’t possibly be the only way of salvation. Oprah, echoing the thoughts of many before her, once asked the question in this way, as you can see in this 2 minute video clip (sorry, the picture is somewhat fuzzy, but the sound is clear):

So, what about those who haven’t heard? This is one of those questions which the Bible does not answer in an explicit, direct way. But that doesn’t mean the Bible does not address this question. Let’s consider what may be the most important passage on this issue. I encourage you to slow down and thoughtfully read this, even if you are already familiar with it:

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
11 As Scripture says, "Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame."
12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"​

It’s as if God says, “You should be worried about those people who haven’t heard. Here’s My solution: YOU go tell them. If you can’t go, then give and pray so that someone else can go.”

Admittedly, that’s not the type of answer people are looking for. But it is the type of answer God gives in His Word, which means it is the best type of answer and the most important type of answer. It’s a practical answer, so let’s stop and think a little about some practical applications of the truth that is declared in the verses above.

Practical Application #1: People Who are Asking about those Who Haven’t Heard are People who Have Heard

If a non-Christian is asking about people who have never heard as an objection to the truth of the Bible (and I’ve heard it asked that way), it may help to gently remind them that they are not in that category. If God makes any special provisions for those who haven’t heard, these provisions would NOT apply to the person who is asking about them, since they obviously have heard the gospel. If they reject the gospel now, the Bible offers NO guarantee that they will have another chance tomorrow (Hebrews 3:15, Proverbs 27:1, Isaiah 55:6). Not only are they not in the category of people who have not had a chance to hear the gospel, most people who are asking about those who haven’t had a chance to hear have never met anyone in this category. Very likely all their friends, family members, coworkers, and neighbors have had and do have many chances to hear the Good News. It’s urgent that they accept God’s gracious offer of forgiveness and eternal life in Christ Jesus (Acts 2:40).

Practical Application #2: We Should Have a Passion to Spread the Gospel Where Christ is not yet Known

Paul certainly practiced what he preached. He himself had a burning passion to continually go to new areas where Christ is not yet known. A little later in Romans he writes:

NIV Romans 15:20a It has always been my ambition to preach the gospel where Christ was not known,​

We’re not all called to go to unreached people groups, but we should each do what we can to support such work. This includes:

* Learning about the unreached.
* Training up Christians to go to the unreached.
* Financially supporting those who go.
* Praying for those who go (this is really important)
* Being open to go​

Practical Application #3: Working to Overcome Language Barriers in Difficult Areas

Today, the main barrier to people hearing the gospel is not geographic distance. The main barrier to hearing the gospel languages where the Bible is not available and where few, in any, who speak that language are sharing the gospel. By God’s grace there are now at least some Christians in every political nation in the world. But when the Jesus spoke of “all nations” in the Great Commission He was referring to all ethnic people groups, not merely all political nations. Some political nations have many different ethnic people groups living in them and these ethnic people groups often speak different languages. For example, we lived in Indonesia for fourteen years. Just on the island we lived on (Sulawesi) there are estimated to be over 100 different languages spoken. These are truly different languages, not merely different dialects (there are often multiple dialects of each of the languages!). Many of those over 100 local languages include many speakers who have not heard the gospel, and have very little or no opportunity to hear it in their language.

We’ve come a long way in completing the Great Commission, but there is still a long ways to go. The cost of completing our task is high. Most of the unreached live in areas where there is intense opposition to the gospel. There is a great need for more people willing to go long term because it takes years to learn a new language and culture and win people and disciple them.

I feel that these “practical applications” related to the Great Commission and its urgency are the most important thing we should get out of the Bible’s teaching about those who have not heard. But because so many people struggle with the theological implications of this teaching, I will go on to share a few more thoughts.

Dangerous Speculation

Some people speculate that perhaps people who live in remote areas and who die without a chance to hear the gospel will be given a chance to accept Jesus after they die. While the Bible does not explicitly rule this possibility out, we need to consider how this speculative solutions fits, or doesn’t fit, with the logic of Romans 10:9-15. When Paul asks, “how can they believe in Him whom they have not heard”, his solution is NOT that those people will get a chance after they die. In fact, the logic of needing to go and preach would be undermined if there were chances to believe after death.

An Analogy

Here’s my own version of an analogy I’ve heard elsewhere (but I don’t remember where or from whom):

Imagine there is a man in an apartment building. He lives on the 5th floor. His building catches on fire. By the time he wakes up the four floors below him are on fire and the floor above him is on fire and the fire is burning outside his apartment in the hallway. He’s trapped. Thankfully, a fire truck with a long ladder shows up. A fireman appears outside his window and calls him to come and escape.

The trapped man says, “I think there might be a hidden fireproof escape under the rug somewhere. I’ll look for that.”

The fireman yells, “How do you know it’s there? Did the builder of the apartments tell you it was there?”

The trapped man replies, “No, but it makes sense to me that there would be a fire escape under a trap door under the carpet.”

Should the man look for the fire escape just because it makes sense in his mind that there should be one? Shouldn’t he instead focus on the one way out (the fireman with the ladder)? Does it make sense for people to speculate on a chance for salvation after death? The Bible says nothing about that. The “builder” hasn’t told us such a thing exists. Shouldn’t we just focus on the means of salvation which God has made available? Namely, going and telling people now, in this life, the Good News.

How this Might All Harmonize with God’s Justice, Goodness, and Foreknowledge

Still, people are understandably concerned about those who died without hearing. But it is wrong to assume that the only way God can be fair and good to those people is if He gives them a chance to believe and be saved after death.

God has not revealed in detail how He is fair to those who die without hearing, but we should have no doubt that God is entirely just in all He does. “Will not the judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25).

We should remember that it is not unjust for God to judge people for their sins and destroy their bodies and souls in hell (Matthew 10:28). That is what ALL people deserve based on our sins (Romans 3:23, 6:23). But there might be more to it. For example, it is possible that God has used his foreknowledge to arrange the world in such a way that everyone who would benefit by hearing the gospel does indeed hear the gospel. The Bible does teach that God determines when and where people will live (Acts 17:26). He may place those who would not have believed even if they heard the gospel in times and locations where the gospel has not been available. It is a possibility. God might not explicitly tell us this because we might be tempted to wrongly interpret it as meaning our Great Commission is less urgent. I share this possibility not because I know this is how it works, but to counter the type of thinking I hear from some universalists and others that God essentially MUST give unsaved people a chance to repent after death or else God is not really just, good, and loving.

Conclusion

It is not wrong for us to be concerned about those who have not heard. In fact, it is right and Biblical to care about them. It is a sign of the Holy Spirit working in our hearts to move us to complete the Great Commission which Christ gave us. Nor do I think it is wrong to think about the theological and philosophical implications of this issue. But God’s main response is an urgently practical one. Our concern about this issue should first and foremost inspire us to make every effort and great sacrifices to go and share the gospel with the unreached. Jesus will be with us as we go (Matthew 28:20).

This was initially a post on my blog.

I would state such people who have not heard (and i have never met any yet) would come before the Lord and Jesus would make a judgment concerning them. I would add that nothing is hidden from Him. To sum it up I neither state they are saved or condemned but Jesus will make a judgment concerning them.

Jesus=>if I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

 

[Halbhh]

I would state such people who have not heard (and i have never met any yet) would come before the Lord and Jesus would make a judgment concerning them. I would add that nothing is hidden from Him. To sum it up I neither state they are saved or condemned but Jesus will make a judgment concerning them.

Jesus=>if I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

Yes. We must include Romans 2, v 6-16 though, and the helpful Romans 5:13 (not the only verse saying this also).

 

[Grandliseur]

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Indeed, Romans 2 would seem to speak directly to the question.

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No questions, but a certain relief not to have to deal with the extreme atheists here. There seems to be many interesting questions at the moment.

 

[JacksBratt]

Interesting. More direct and complete are the passages in post #24, 25 above.

I agree about children who don't reach an age of accountability. And, those that don't, due to mental issues, ever reach an mental state of intelligence or cognitive ability, will be granted salvation.

However, I believe that anyone with the intellectual ability to understand the gospel, and who have heard it... will be held accountable for the choice they make in accepting or rejecting Christ for who He is.

Those that, for whatever reason, never heard of, or could have known of Christ...they will be still held without excuse.

 

[Halbhh]

I agree about children who don't reach an age of accountability. And, those that don't, due to mental issues, ever reach an mental state of intelligence or cognitive ability, will be granted salvation.

However, I believe that anyone with the intellectual ability to understand the gospel, and who have heard it... will be held accountable for the choice they make in accepting or rejecting Christ for who He is.

Those that, for whatever reason, never heard of, or could have known of Christ...they will be still held without excuse.

Exactly. -- fair Justice. The exact wording of
Rom 2. Not anything other.

And also so will we, if we don't do as He says.

 

[dqhall]

It is not wrong for us to be concerned about those who have not heard. In fact, it is right and Biblical to care about them. It is a sign of the Holy Spirit working in our hearts to move us to complete the Great Commission which Christ gave us. Nor do I think it is wrong to think about the theological and philosophical implications of this issue. But God’s main response is an urgently practical one. Our concern about this issue should first and foremost inspire us to make every effort and great sacrifices to go and share the gospel with the unreached. Jesus will be with us as we go (Matthew 28:20).
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There are opportunities for those who have not heard the Gospel. They may also read it online, in books or watch videos. There are people as far away as the Himalayas who know about Jesus. Google Translate is being used to translate messages as its quality has improved. A Brazilian pastor without English fluency was writing to me using Google translate. There are programs to translate audio recordings and live phone calls from language to language. Barriers to communication are being removed.

Jesus was not able to give the full Gospel to all he met. To some he was only able to speak in parables that people of his day did not recognize as Bible scripture. The chief priests were seeking to bring blasphemy charges against him if they could catch him claiming to be God's son or the Messiah.

Jesus was sent to the Jews. His disciples lived to carry the message to Gentiles.
John 10:16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will hear my voice. They will become one flock with one shepherd."

As for Jesus preaching to the dead, he preached to Lazarus who was presumed to be rotting in his tomb.
John 11:43 When he had said this, he cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come out!"

I suppose it is better to focus on today's activities than waste much time dreaming about activities after death. Benjamin Franklin taught, "One today is worth two tomorrows."

 

[~Anastasia~]

No questions, but a certain relief not to have to deal with the extreme atheists here. There seems to be many interesting questions at the moment.

There are many forum areas. The extreme (and mostly less extreme) atheists are here, but areas are limited by who may post and what topics may be discussed. General theology (here) is open to any and all Christians so there will be a wide variety and much disagreement over doctrines, but you're right that atheists may not post here. There are areas that allow them so folks can have whatever sort of discussion they like, somewhere.

Not meaning to derail the thread though. Just feel free to ask if you need help.

God be with you!

 

[Mark Corbett]

“Will not the judge of all the earth do right?” (Genesis 18:25). Explain to me why my four living siblings and mother don't believe and don't want to.

Of course I don't know why your siblings and mother don't believe. But I do pray that God will work powerfully to bring them to Christ.

 

[bling]

Does telling Christians: “You are personally responsible for teaching the lost and if any are lost it is your fault.” help?

The reason we should go and teach others is because it is our privilege and honor to take the gospel message to those who have not heard it. Christ has commanded we do this, but that is because it helps us grow and value what we have been given. We have the debt of being taught by others ourselves.

When we talk about people being lost and saved we have to keep in mind: “God judges the hearts of people and it is his choice and not ours”.

There are those that have never reached adult maturity to the point they are responsible for their sins so they would be in a safe condition, not needing salvation, but would also not have fulfilled their earthly objective.

If a sincere nonbeliever who has never heard of Christ has given up on self to relieve him of the burden in his conscience created by his hurting others in the past (sin) and turns in hope to the benevolent Creator for help, will God help him?

 

[Mark Corbett]

Thanks for sharing some helpful thoughts!

There are opportunities for those who have not heard the Gospel. They may also read it online, in books or watch videos. There are people as far away as the Himalayas who know about Jesus. Google Translate is being used to translate messages as its quality has improved. A Brazilian pastor without English fluency was writing to me using Google translate. There are programs to translate audio recordings and live phone calls from language to language. Barriers to communication are being removed.

Yes, praise God for technology. But also, please remember that there are MANY (many millions) of unreached who speak languages in which the gospel is not available, or available in an extremely limited way which is unlikely to reach many of the speakers. It looks like google translator currently works for about 100 languages. There are about 6,900 languages in the world. There is still a great and urgent need for believers to go and live where these languages are spoken, learn the language, love the people, and share God's truth.

I have seen some attempts at "shortcuts" to the hard work and long commitment of learning languages as you live among and love those who speak them. The shortcuts tend to be a colossal waste of time and money. I'm not saying that technology does not help in this task. By God's grace it can help a lot. But it cannot replace the role of Christians learning and ministering in the languages of the unreached.

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

Post #56

Without faith it is impossible to please Him, Heb 11:6 only faith in the Lord produces salvation, one way by grace through faith.

 

[Mark Corbett]

Thanks for sharing some thoughts and raising some good questions and issues. I'll respond to a few of your points, apologizing that I may not have time to respond to all of them.

Does telling Christians: “You are personally responsible for teaching the lost and if any are lost it is your fault.” help?

I think God actually does something like this in Ezekiel 33:1-6, which ends like this:

NIV Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes someone's life, that person's life will be taken because of their sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood.'
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I think the same principle would imply that we are accountable if we fail to do what we can to reach the unreached with the gospel. Paul seemed to feel this keenly:

NIV 1 Corinthians 9:16b Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!

The reason we should go and teach others is because it is our privilege and honor to take the gospel message to those who have not heard it. Christ has commanded we do this, but that is because it helps us grow and value what we have been given. We have the debt of being taught by others ourselves.

Those are indeed excellent reasons and motivations to share the gospel with those who have not heard it. But they are not the ONLY good motivations.

If a sincere nonbeliever who has never heard of Christ has given up on self to relieve him of the burden in his conscience created by his hurting others in the past (sin) and turns in hope to the benevolent Creator for help, will God help him?

There is actually a great example in the Bible which is very similar to what you are describing above. Cornelius is described like this:

NIV Acts 10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.​

God DOES help Cornelius. But God does NOT bypass His revealed method of the gospel being preached. God sends Peter with the gospel to Cornelius. I do not doubt that God might intervene in many ways and work powerfully to get the gospel to people who are seeking Him. But I see no evidence that they can be saved in any other way.

 

[fhansen]

If a person is saved, they're saved by Jesus, regardless of whether they've heard His name or not. I think we're all graced in one way or another, and a principle found in Luke 12:48 applies here:
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."

And some demonstrate faith by their actions, even where formal knowledge is rudimentary.