LDS What about the other standard works? (D&C and POGP)

[fatboys]

Image can mean more than just physical attributes. You do know that? It also doesn't have to mean because we eat God eats.

Express image? Likeness? I'm am in the image and likeness of my earthly father. In fact my wife says that the older I get the more I look like him because that is the only way she knows him. We were not clones but Adam looked like God the Father. If that is really true then it would explain much of the writings in the bible where they spoke with God face to face or that they wrestled with him etc.

 

[fatboys]

The bible CLEARLY conradicts this:

COL 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

COL 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Therefore your saying that it is worse to be the brother of evil that be the one who brought evil into existance?

 

[fatboys]

As a Christian i don't recognize Mormon doctrine. It contradicts true biblical teachings.

Then you understand neither and believe that you have authority to interpret Gods word correctly. How do you know that you are not wrong?

 

[fatboys]

Jesus is not a literal spirit offspring of Heavenly Father. That would indicate Jesus had a beginning.

Suggesting just because Jesus came from God and some mother??? and God is eternal doesn't make Jesus eternal.

You can say something is false all you want but your belief is wrong. You have nothing to back it up except the imaginations and misinterpretation of Gods word. Have you ever been a witness of an event where others tell the event differently than what you witnessed. Some will embellish way more than what it was and others hardly remember it. There are those that do the same with Gods word. Because they have this idea that God is so perfect and powerful that he cannot be this or that he must be that. Something which he is neither. For some reason mainstream Christians have to believe in a impersonal God. A unknowable God. I mean look at the children of Israel who had just witnessed miracle after miracle. They just had to worship a false image even though they knew better. God isn't a mist. He is not a formless mass. He is my Father. You look like him. I look like him. We have heavenly parents.

 

[fatboys]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.....And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

The bible is quite clear that Jesus and God co-existed together from eternity past. No need for a creation or a mother.

You said God didn't have a beginning?

 

[-57]

Express image? Likeness? I'm am in the image and likeness of my earthly father. In fact my wife says that the older I get the more I look like him because that is the only way she knows him. We were not clones but Adam looked like God the Father. If that is really true then it would explain much of the writings in the bible where they spoke with God face to face or that they wrestled with him etc.

The term likeness has more than one nuance. You do understand that?
It can be said a certain man has a mind as solid as a rok, or the likeness of a rock...does that mean his brain is a rock?

 

[-57]

Therefore your saying that it is worse to be the brother of evil that be the one who brought evil into existance?

I don't think that's what I said. God isn't the author of evil.
How is Jesus the author of evil?

 

[Jane_Doe]

The bible CLEARLY conradicts this:

COL 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

COL 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

This established that the supremacy of the Father. How does this contradict that the Father was Lucifer's father?

Yes...lets start with Gen 1:1.

1 Cor 2:7 indicates time began.
No, we declare God's wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.

Matter can't exist outside of time.

Is this time as men reckons it or time as God reckons it?

Heb 11:3 talks about creation ex nihlo....By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.

Where does this specify that God made things from nothing?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.....And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

The bible is quite clear that Jesus and God co-existed together from eternity past. No need for a creation or a mother.

No mention of the Spirit either. Does that mean the Spirit didn't exist?

 

[-57]

Then you understand neither and believe that you have authority to interpret Gods word correctly. How do you know that you are not wrong?

You're x-tra biblicl material contradicts the bible. When I read your theology the errors jump off the page.

 

[-57]

Christians have to believe in a impersonal God. A unknowable God.

Really?
Mormons have to believe in a false God.

 

[-57]

You said God didn't have a beginning?

Read Genesis 1. It could refer to that beginning..or indicate an eternal timeframe.

Jesus always was God and never was not God.

 

[Jane_Doe]

You're x-tra biblicl material contradicts the bible. When I read your theology the errors jump off the page.

Can you provide an example of where the *Bible* contradicts LDS teaching?
I'm specifying what the Bible actually says, not your interpretation of it.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Read Genesis 1. It could refer to that beginning..or indicate an eternal timeframe.

Jesus always was God and never was not God.

And LDS agree with this.

 

[-57]

This established that the supremacy of the Father. How does this contradict that the Father was Lucifer's father?

No it doen't.
It says the following...COL 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,

ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN...INCLUDING LUCIFER.

 

[-57]

Can you provide an example of where the *Bible* contradicts LDS teaching?
I'm specifying what the Bible actually says, not your interpretation of it.

Yes, Jesus is God. John 1:1 clearly tells us that.
Mormons and the JW's need to put the verse through extreme gymnastics to make it say otherwise.

 

[-57]

And LDS agree with this.

Then you're not monotheistic.....or you need to change the meaning of God to god.

 

[Jane_Doe]

No it doen't.
It says the following...COL 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,

ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN...INCLUDING LUCIFER.

Where in Genesis may I read about the Lucifer's creation?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Yes, Jesus is God. John 1:1 clearly tells us that.

LDS agree on this point. No contradiction with the Bible.

 

[NYCGuy]

Jesus is not a literal spirit offspring of Heavenly Father. That would indicate Jesus had a beginning.

Suggesting just because Jesus came from God and some mother??? and God is eternal doesn't make Jesus eternal.

Mormons believe the Persons are eternal in the same way that we are all eternal (in their belief): that we all have a core "intelligence" that has always existed, never created. This "intelligence" existed prior to our spirit birth from heavenly parents (Heavenly Father and His spouse, Heavenly Mother). They believe that the Son and Holy Ghost are literal spirit children from our heavenly parents, with the Son being the first born.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Then you're not monotheistic.....or you need to change the meaning of God to god.

LDS believe that there is 1 God consists of 3 persons, the same as Trinitarians. The difference between the belief systems is the Trinitarians believe that the 3 are 1 through because they are consubstantial (this is not in the Bible). LDS believe that the 3 are 1 through unity. The LDS view matches the Bible much better, particularly verses like John 17:3.