LDS What about the other standard works? (D&C and POGP)

[-57]

Where in Genesis may I read about the Lucifer's creation?

Why would it be there?

Let me ask you this...was lucifer in heaven? I think you would have to say yes. DOES NOT the bible say "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,"

This is yet ANOTHER example of where Mormonism contradicts scripture.

 

[-57]

LDS agree on this point. No contradiction with the Bible.

Tell us...in what form was Jesus God before His "mother" in heaven gave birth to Him.

 

[-57]

Mormons believe the Persons are eternal in the same way that we are all eternal (in their belief): that we all have a core "intelligence" that has always existed, never created. This "intelligence" existed prior to our spirit birth from heavenly parents (Heavenly Father and His spouse, Heavenly Mother). They believe that the Son and Holy Ghost are literal spirit children from our heavenly parents, with the Son being the first born.

They don't see Jesus as always being exactly like the God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

This makes their Jesus a different Jesus.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Why would it be there?

Let me ask you this...was lucifer in heaven? I think you would have to say yes. DOES NOT the bible say "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,"

This is yet ANOTHER example of where Mormonism contradicts scripture.

I'm asking for you to supply scripture to support you claims from the Bible. You are failing to do so.

Col 1 talks about the Earth's creation, which is also documented in Genesis. Did anything exist before then? I recommend re-reading Job 38.

 

[Jane_Doe]

They don't see Jesus as always being exactly like the God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

How do we fail to see that?

 

[-57]

LDS believe that there is 1 God consists of 3 persons, the same as Trinitarians. The difference between the belief systems is the Trinitarians believe that the 3 are 1 through because they are consubstantial (this is not in the Bible). LDS believe that the 3 are 1 through unity. The LDS view matches the Bible much better, particularly verses like John 17:3.

Morminism believes in a form of Polytheism. As if 3 people agree on a certain topic can be seen as one. The bible says there is only one God.

As pointed out earlier you admitted you have a spirit. You also have a physical nature to you. Both the spirit and flesh parts of you can be divided..YET...they both are equally you. For instance if I walked down the street I couls say, "Hi Jane Doe". Or if I could enter into the spiritual worls I could say to your spirit..."hi Jane Doe".
But some how you knock down the true nature of God and make God a single enitity that simply agrees with another distinct entity....yet it's okay for you to have one entity with two natures.

 

[-57]

I'm asking for you to supply scripture to support you claims from the Bible. You are failing to do so.

Col 1 talks about the Earth's creation, which is also documented in Genesis. Did anything exist before then? I recommend re-reading Job 38.

Col 1 says: COL 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth,

Yes it does talk about the creations on earth...as well as the creations in heaven...which Lucifer was one of.

As to Job 38...I read it. What's your cryptic point?

 

[-57]

How do we fail to see that?

To be exactly like God is to be God...not a separate person with the same opinion or view.

 

[NYCGuy]

It is very interesting that some Mormon scriptures refer to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as "the Gods", as well as Joseph Smith claiming that the three are "three Gods". That sounds like polytheism, at least in one sense.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Morminism believes in a form of Polytheism.

I've seen the same argued about the Trinity.

As pointed out earlier you admitted you have a spirit. You also have a physical nature to you. Both the spirit and flesh parts of you can be divided..YET...they both are equally you. For instance if I walked down the street I couls say, "Hi Jane Doe". Or if I could enter into the spiritual worls I could say to your spirit..."hi Jane Doe".
But some how you knock down the true nature of God and make God a single enitity that simply agrees with another distinct entity....yet it's okay for you to have one entity with two natures.

Please provide me with a Biblical verse saying that the Father, Son, and Spirit are one through a shared substance.

 

[Jane_Doe]

To be exactly like God is to be God...not a separate person with the same opinion or view.

Please provide me with a Biblical verse saying this.

 

[Jane_Doe]

As to Job 38...I read it. What's your cryptic point?

Who are the sons of God shouting for joy?

 

[-57]

It is very interesting that some Mormon scriptures refer to the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as "the Gods", as well as Joseph Smith claiming that the three are "three Gods". That sounds like polytheism, at least in one sense.

I've seen the same argued about the Trinity.


Please provide me with a Biblical verse saying that the Father, Son, and Spirit are one through a shared substance.

I already have. John 1:1 shows Jesus to have ALWAYS been God. Other verses presents the Holy Spirt as God.
Considering the bible in several places says there is only one God...the conclusion is there is one God. Three in person and one in nature, essence.
Just as you are one..yet have a spirit and flesh.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I already have. John 1:1 shows Jesus to have ALWAYS been God. Other verses presents the Holy Spirt as God.
Considering the bible in several places says there is only one God...the conclusion is there is one God. Three in person and one in nature, essence.
Just as you are one..yet have a spirit and flesh.

Please provide me with a Biblical verse saying that the Father, Son, and Spirit are one through a shared substance. John 1:1 does not do this.

 

[-57]

Please provide me with a Biblical verse saying this.

Hebrews 1;2 is one verse that supports the theological view of God:
3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature,

 

[Jane_Doe]

Hebrews 1;2 is one verse that supports the theological view of God:
3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature,

This argues my point, not yours.

 

[-57]

Who are the sons of God shouting for joy?

Angels.

 

[-57]

This argues my point, not yours.

It points to them being the same being.
John 1:1 also shows they are the same being.

 

[Jane_Doe]

Angels.

So Lucifer was a son go God?

 

[-57]

Please provide me with a Biblical verse saying that the Father, Son, and Spirit are one through a shared substance. John 1:1 does not do this.

I only said John 1 in this instance points out Jesus as a "shared substance" I then said other verses points out that the Holy Spirit is also God.

...as to the Holy Spirit being the same as the Father...you once said that the Father was Jesus incarnate Father with Mary being Jesus incarnate mother....which is true...but the bible says the Spirit came over Mary and she became pregnant.

This indicated the Holy Spirit and God the Father are the same.