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I thought that's what sanctification was, conforming you to the image of Christ and that was always the work of God, not your own work.Your verse is talking about a lot more than just purity and it is describing the work that God is doing not anything you are doing yourself. The "work" is to conform us into the image of God`s son, the passage refers to that, it`s not a sanctification verse.
For you, I`ll cut to the chase.
My primary concern with the idea of a "progressive sanctification" is that it seems to be a pseudo replacement for an active Holy Spirit among Christians who belong to dry churches.
For others, it becomes a way to inject works into the salvation process.
For conditional salvation believers, it can also serve as a license to sin in a similar fashion to the charges they like to make of OSAS Christians.
So, I`m just seeing lots of ways for this doctrine to go wrong and I`m not sure why I need to add "progressive" to my sanctification since I don`t normally accept terms I don`t see in my King James. Mind you, I`m not a King James fanatic.
PS, As for your remark. Yes, Jesus will clean up your heart and transform it.
You still have to work at it to maintain your purity. I never said you don`t but people like to make assumptions
I thought that's what sanctification was, conforming you to the image of Christ and that was always the work of God, not your own work.
Thanks! It's a concern I also share.
My rebirth took place in two steps, first acknowledging Christ and giving my life to him. Secondly I repented of an old sin. My heart was washed clean. From there on it seems my heart didn't get any cleaner (I doubt a clean heart can get cleaner), but as time went by it rather got more mudded up. Actually I never felt as sanctified again as the day I was born again, so I doubt the idea of gradual sanctification.
The Bible says to renew in the Holy Spirit and that experience can be as wonderful as the day you got saved. Perhaps you need that.
Where does the Bible say that? Yes, I need that.
Isn't Sanctification by nature progressive?
We'd kind of die if God changed us that much in an instant.
Yet many are called but few are chosen.What could sanctification mean to you; sanctification means to be separated or set apart; the seventh day is sanctified or set apart from the other six days. The righteous are sanctified when they are separated from the unrighteous; individually it is instantaneous.
There is the post where he explained it.
These problems might be in part due to people's conception of freedom. The denial of our freedom means that only God exists. If God Wills that we have freedom then the denial of our freedom is sin.
because of the hardness of some people's hearts Jesus did not reference himself but rather he pointed to his father. In another place Jesus said that he is always working and that his father is always working. So you see that Jesus works and that the church is his body.
So it is not either/or because both Mankind and God have freedom and in the Holy Spirit they work together. If it was purely up to God we would all be perfect and his kingdom would be much more manifest in the world than it is
By the way a seal can be marred and disfigured. A pure white clothing can be ripped apart, muddied and otherwise polluted. Branches and leaves can be ripped off the vine.
What About Progressive Sanctification?
I don`t really believe in it.
Tell me why you do.
Let me ask you a question. Do you get your sanctification from the Holy Spirit or do you help Him out with your works? Who cleans the inside of the cup, you? Paul says to abstain from fornication, that is your part in the sanctification. The other part is that you believe the truth. What else do you think you have to do?
What is the source of your righteousness?
And the moon can crash into teh earth! but that doesn't mean it will happen.
Jesus is the author and completer of our faith, the Holy Spirit seals us till the day of Redemption, Ours salvation is kept in heaven for us, we are the elct from the foundation of the world!
But that has nothing to do with peoples misunderstanding of Hebrews 10:14.
God completed us forever- now He is making us holy to be what He declared us to be!
So many people quote that verse out of context. What was Paul saying when he said we are sealed with the Holy Spirit?
“So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. Therefore, laying aside falsehood, SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONE of you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are members of one another. BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity. He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
Ephesians 4:17-32 NASB
He continues this message in chapter 5
“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
Ephesians 5:1-6 NASB
Now was Paul teaching the saints in Ephesus who are faithful to Christ not to make any effort to walk in the Spirit?
So many people quote that verse out of context. What was Paul saying when he said we are sealed with the Holy Spirit?
“So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. Therefore, laying aside falsehood, SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONE of you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are members of one another. BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity. He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
Ephesians 4:17-32 NASB
He continues this message in chapter 5
“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
Ephesians 5:1-6 NASB
Now was Paul teaching the saints in Ephesus who are faithful to Christ not to make any effort to walk in the Spirit?
But as for the sealing?
It is the greek word : sphragizō and means to seal up or close. It is used mostly to show ownership either by a brand or a signet marking it as belonging to a king or royal!
Not at all! He was encouraging them to walk in teh Spirit so they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Paul also calls this the old man and the new man! the new man who is being conformed to the image of Jesus- cannot sin, while the old men cannot do anything but sin.
But as for the sealing?
It is the greek word : sphragizō and means to seal up or close. It is used mostly to show ownership either by a brand or a signet marking it as belonging to a king or royal!
The Shekinah Glory will leave the temple on certain occasions.
Amen no one will ever lose the Holy Spirit. Doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed salvation. That just means they will always be urged by the Holy Spirit to repent. What do you think Paul was saying in this portion of the message?
“Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”
Ephesians 5:6 NASB
Do you think he was saying that those who continue to grieve the Holy Spirit are exempt from being sons of disobedience? Do you think he was saying these who are sealed with the Holy Spirit cannot receive God’s wrath if they continue to be disobedient?
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