What About Progressive Sanctification?

[RickReads]

Jesus reserves the right to acknowledge or deny anyone He chooses before The Father.

He does not.

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

 

[RickReads]

Were Paul and Timothy saved? You might find this interesting what Paul wrote Timothy.


“It is a trustworthy statement: For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him; If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us; If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-13‬ ‭NASB

Paul makes it clear that both he and Timothy are capable of denying Christ and as a result Christ would deny them before The Father.

“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:33‬ ‭NASB

In all my posts I have acknowledged that a believer must endure, and denying is a form of falling away.
If you are accusing me of not believing these things then you make a false accusation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You refute nothing, the people in your verses were not elect.

What do you mean by elect? Do you mean they were not chosen by God according to His foreknowledge of who would choose to abide in Christ and endure to the end or do you mean that they were not chosen by God and determined by Him to abide in Christ and endure to the end?

 

[BNR32FAN]

He does not.

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

The Greek word translated to “cometh” is ONLY used in the present and imperfect tense which means only those who presently or continuously come to Him He will not cast out. It doesn’t mean that anyone who ever came to Him He will not cast out otherwise John 15:1-10 and Galatians 5:4 would be impossible. Not to mention in John 15:2 Jesus specifically says that The Father cuts off every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit.

 

[RickReads]

What do you mean by elect? Do you mean they were not chosen by God according to His foreknowledge of who would choose to abide in Christ and endure to the end or do you mean that they were not chosen by God and determined by Him to abide in Christ and endure to the end?

Elect is a Bible word, a term that throws you into a fit by it`s very mention.

 

[RickReads]

The Greek word translated to “cometh” is ONLY used in the present and imperfect tense which means only those who presently or continuously come to Him He will not cast out. It doesn’t mean that anyone who ever came to Him He will not cast out otherwise John 15:1-10 and Galatians 5:4 would be impossible. Not to mention in John 15:2 Jesus specifically says that The Father cuts off every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit.

Again you are talking about people who aren`t elect.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Elect is a Bible word, a term that throws you into a fit by it`s very mention.

Im not in a fit I’m simply asking for your definition of the word elect. Different people interpret it to mean different things. So which is it? Is their fate determined by God or is their election the result of their choosing to repent and abide in Christ?

 

[RickReads]

The Greek word translated to “cometh” is ONLY used in the present and imperfect tense which means only those who presently or continuously come to Him He will not cast out. It doesn’t mean that anyone who ever came to Him He will not cast out otherwise John 15:1-10 and Galatians 5:4 would be impossible. Not to mention in John 15:2 Jesus specifically says that The Father cuts off every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice". Those sheep are the elect. You won`t like it if you make me go Calvinist on you.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice". Those sheep are the elect. You won`t like it if you make me go Calvinist on you.

I can refute Calvinism all day long brother. It’s not biblical.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice". Those sheep are the elect. You won`t like it if you make me go Calvinist on you.

Actually He said His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. You keep avoiding the question. Did God predestine these sheep to hear His voice and follow or were these sheep chosen by God because they heard and followed Him?

 

[RickReads]

I can refute Calvinism all day long brother. It’s not biblical.

Calvinism is correctable and my corrected version of it isn`t refutable in any way. At least not if you consider the Bible the authority. I don`t usually talk about that because it is better to just revert to Pauline doctrine. But I can defend Calvin all day long when I feel like it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In all my posts I have acknowledged that a believer must endure, and denying is a form of falling away.
If you are accusing me of not believing these things then you make a false accusation.

I never accused you of anything I was merely quoting scripture. Your posts imply that a person cannot lose his salvation and I’m quoting scriptures that say they can. If a person cannot lose their salvation then Paul’s statement to Timothy would be incorrect. Either Paul and Timothy would be incapable of denying Christ or Christ would not deny them before The Father if they did deny Him. So either way your theology in this case is incorrect because we know for a fact without a doubt that these two men were saved and true believers.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Calvinism is correctable and my corrected version of it isn`t refutable in any way. At least not if you consider the Bible the authority. I don`t usually talk about that because it is better to just revert to Pauline doctrine. But I can defend Calvin all day long when I feel like it.

And still you refuse to define your definition of election despite my asking twice already. Why can’t you simply answer the question?

 

[RickReads]

I never accused you of anything I was merely quoting scripture. Your posts imply that a person cannot lose his salvation and I’m quoting scriptures that say they can. If a person cannot lose their salvation then Paul’s statement to Timothy would be incorrect. Either Paul and Timothy would be incapable of denying Christ or Christ would not deny them before The Father if they did deny Him. So either way your theology in this case is incorrect because we know for a fact without a doubt that these two men were saved and true believers.

My posts don`t imply because I`ll tell you straight up that an elect person will not lose their salvation
and His righteousness will cover them when they fall short.

 

[BNR32FAN]

My posts don`t imply because I`ll tell you straight up that an elect person will not lose their salvation
and His righteousness will cover them when they fall short.

So your saying that what Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:12 is incorrect? They were incapable of being denied by Christ?

 

[RickReads]

And still you refuse to define your definition of election despite my asking twice already. Why can’t you simply answer the question?

Why do I need to define the words of Paul? I simply believe what he taught. You are the one who flips out when the word elect comes up.

 

[RickReads]

Im not in a fit I’m simply asking for your definition of the word elect. Different people interpret it to mean different things. So which is it? Is their fate determined by God or is their election the result of their choosing to repent and abide in Christ?

It`s a combination of both but predetermined is a fact of life.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why do I need to define the words of Paul? I simply believe what he taught. You are the one who flips out when the word elect comes up.

I haven’t “flipped out” at all. And still you decline to answer the question.

 

[RickReads]

I haven’t “flipped out” at all. And still you decline to answer the question.

What question?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It`s a combination of both but predetermined is a fact of life.

both is an impossibility. Either God determines a person’s fate or they determine it. It can’t be both. It sounds like you don’t really know what you believe election is. .