Dont misrepresent me Ben. I have never said it is the water itself that accomplishes the remission of sins. I do believe that we are saved by faith just not Faith ALONE. Grace, faith, repentence, confessing Jesus as Lord and being water baptized working together is what puts you into Christ. Once you get into Christ you must be faithful until death to remain in a saved condition. It as the point of Baptism in water the final step that puts you into Christ having you sins washed away by the Blood of Jesus Christ Rev 1:5. The water is not magical but it is where God washes away our sins and we know this because of our faith in the operation of God. Col 2:12-13. I have already clearly showed this in my previous posts and no where do I hint at saying the water itself washes away the sins.
I did not misrepresent you, Cougan---this very paragraph asserts your contradiction.
"Water is not magical, water itself does not remit sins."
"Water is where we are put INTO Christ".
"Water is where sins are washed away."
Thus without the water,
there is no, "IN CHRIST".
Without the water,
there is no FORGIVENESS OF SINS.
I post frequently on this message board and others, on various topics; I have just realized that in nearly all my posts,
I am contending for the ESSENCE of SALVATION.
This is no difference.
Salvation is IN CHRIST. "In Christ", is BELIEVING. There is nothing else. No work, no deed; "even to him who does not work, his faith is credited as righteousness."
The essence of salvation is FELLOWSHIP. Fellowship with God and Christ. We "abide in Christ", and He "abides in us". By belief. Everything follows, and flows from, that. Good works, growth, waterbaptism.
This is why Cornelius' family and friends were SAVED and began worshipping God and speaking in tongues,
before being dipped---because they had the BELIEF,
the FELLOWSHIP. That's all salvation is.
"Repent and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name". We believe the
"calling on His name" washes away our sins, you believe the "WATER" does.
As you say, "it's not the WATER that washes away sins, but
water is where the sins are washed away".
Throughout history, thousands, likely millions of people---from prisoners to war's trench-fighters, have received Jesus Christ---truly believing, truly---saved? Not according to you. Their unfortunate deaths BEFORE THEY
COULD BE DUNKED, well that's just hard luck---they are perished, all.
Now I realize that once again I am contending for the essence of the Gospel. James did not refute the fact that
man is justified by faith and not by works or law (need I quote all these verses?); James says, "a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone"---but this after saying, "faith was working WITH Abraham's works, and as a result, faith was perfected". Contextually, James
merely agrees with Jesus---GOOD trees PRODUCE good works, bad trees, bad fruit.
In the movie, "The Hiding Place",
a true story---Corrie was released. A "clerical error". Months later,
all women of her age were put to death. As she was leaving, the piano-player (with the NOW MANGLED and USELESS HANDS)---she cried, "Corrie! I WANT HIM!" Corrie turned and smiled, and said: "Just ask---He's there."
That was a true story. That piano player, received Christ. And then, in a matter of days, was executed. And she was never water-baptized.
I shall meet that woman, someday---
for there is not a shred of doubt that she was saved.
Yet according to those who believe "water is WHERE sins are forgiven, it is WHERE we are put into Christ---that poor woman shall only expect the fires of Hell.
In your heart and in your spirit, I know you see the falsity of that statement.
She is saved, she's in Heaven.
Those who confronted the shells in the trenches of war,
after believing, are saved.
We are justified by faith alone---real faith, which PRODUCES good works. They all said it. Even James.
Real faith HAS good works (if possible)---thus, we ARE justified by faith AND works. But salvation is faith alone. Real faith.
Real fellowship with our Creator.
"We saw, we touched, the Word of Life; the life was manifested, we have seen and bear witness and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us---what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, that you also may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son, JESUS CHRIST."