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We Are In The End Times

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No Jipsah Daniel had an old fashion calculator so math was not the problem

It’s the interpretation that people fail to get …when read carefully Daniel reveals a gap between the 69th week and 70th week

Not really. Daniel's weeks were fulfilled with the rebuilding of the Temple following the end of Captivity. The "messiah" that Daniel speaks of is almost certainly Cyrus, it's not THE Messiah, but a messiah. Messiah simply means "anointed", thus lots of people were anointed for tasks, the priests of the Temple, the kings of Israel and Judea, the prophets, etc. But Cyrus was chosen by God for the unique task of allowing the Jews to return and rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple, hence Daniel counts the time from Jeremiah's proclamation that Jerusalem would be rebuilt, to the time of its restoration. Which was about 70 years, aka "weeks".

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Not really. Daniel's weeks were fulfilled with the rebuilding of the Temple following the end of Captivity. The "messiah" that Daniel speaks of is almost certainly Cyrus, it's not THE Messiah, but a messiah. Messiah simply means "anointed", thus lots of people were anointed for tasks, the priests of the Temple, the kings of Israel and Judea, the prophets, etc. But Cyrus was chosen by God for the unique task of allowing the Jews to return and rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple, hence Daniel counts the time from Jeremiah's proclamation that Jerusalem would be rebuilt, to the time of its restoration. Which was about 70 years, aka "weeks".

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Yasha said when you see the AOD spoken of in Daniel let Judea flee to the mountains… so unless u think yasha is a liar you are mistaking in your interpretation
 
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Yasha must have had them on too cause he related the AOD with his return
If you'll notice, the Temple was once again desecrated by the Romans in roughly the same manner that it was by Antiochus, and then destroyed. No call waiting for that one to happen, it did, whether or not your doctrinal view is that it somehow "didn't count".
 
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Yep, it was high time to flee... the Romans.

It will happen in the future at the time of yasha returns…yasha was not referring to the Roman

What a monumentally sleazy thing to say. Shame on you!
C’mon man just making a simple point Via is a big boy this is not an insult in any form

Many believe yasha is a liar and I doubt Via thinks He is …
 
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Yasha said when you see the AOD spoken of in Daniel let Judea flee to the mountains… so unless u think yasha is a liar you are mistaking in your interpretation

Jesus was not lying. He was using Daniel to point to the desecration of the Temple, and it was fulfilled just as He had said.

There's no physical Temple left standing, just as Christ our God said would happen. The Tabernacle, and later Temple, were shadows which pointed to Christ, Jesus Christ is the Temple of God, and we, who are spiritual stones and His Mystical Body with Him as Cornerstone, are the Holy Temple of God. "For the day is coming" He said, when God would not be worshiped on the Temple Mount or Mt. Gerizim, but rather God is Spirit and is worshiped in Spirit and in truth. For the Holy Spirit was poured out on Pentecost, and He dwells in us, His Church.

Those who look forward to a structure in Jerusalem to yet be built put their hope in false promises and the works of men. Christ has come, YHWH has made His Visitation, the Day of YHWH began two thousand years ago, just as the Holy Prophets foretold by the Holy Spirit. We await the Day of His return, in glory, for He comes to judge and the dead shall be raised, and God shall make all things new, New Heavens and New Earth, the countless ages unto the ages, World without end.

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Jesus was not lying. He was using Daniel to point to the desecration of the Temple, and it was fulfilled just as He had said.

He was using Daniel to answer the questions the disciples were asking as a sign of his return and restoration of isreal kingdom which is yet future


There's no physical Temple left standing, just as Christ our God said would happen.
There will be another temple in the near future


The Tabernacle, and later Temple, were shadows which pointed to Christ,

Yes
Jesus Christ is the Temple of God, and we, who are spiritual stones and His Mystical Body with Him as Cornerstone, are the Holy Temple of God. "For the day is coming" He said, when God would not be worshiped on the Temple Mount or Mt. Gerizim, but rather God is Spirit and is worshiped in Spirit and in truth. For the Holy Spirit was poured out on Pentecost, and He dwells in us, His Church.


Yet there will be worshippers again when a new temple is erected and that does not take away from what yasha said
Those who look forward to a structure in Jerusalem to yet be built put their hope in false promises and the works of men.
Nonetheless these things will happen and signs will follow concerning these things that will point to Christ return

Christ has come, YHWH has made His Visitation, the Day of YHWH began two thousand years ago, just as the Holy Prophets foretold by the Holy Spirit. We await the Day of His return, in glory, for He comes to judge and the dead shall be raised, and God shall make all things new, New Heavens and New Earth, the countless ages unto the ages, World without end.

-CryptoLutheran
Many prophecies are still yet to be fulfilled concerning Jerusalem and the temple yet to be built …
 
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He was using Daniel to answer the questions the disciples were asking as a sign of his return and restoration of isreal kingdom which is yet future



There will be another temple in the near future




Yes



Yet there will be worshippers again when a new temple is erected and that does not take away from what yasha said

Nonetheless these things will happen and signs will follow concerning these things that will point to Christ return


Many prophecies are still yet to be fulfilled concerning Jerusalem and the temple yet to be built …

Any temple built in Jerusalem will be meaningless stone and those who are of faith in Christ will have nothing to do with it. I pray that God strengthen His people with the resolution to abstain from false worship and apostasy should that ever transpire.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God and King of kings, keep and protect Your Church, by Your Holy Spirit guard us against every false teaching and snare of the devil. Christ, keep us, have mercy on us, abide in us and we in You. You who are of the Father, true God the Son, and who deigns to meet us and dwell with us sinners. Make Your precious habitation in and with us, O King and Savior, by Your Holy Spirit.

Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, one God; as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. Amen.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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We've been in the "last days" since the ascension but the end times are now.
Hebrews 1:1-3
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son (last TWO days or last 2,000 years), whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of His Person(Jesus is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Word-the Word is GOD), and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

2 Peter 3:v.8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


 
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He was using Daniel to answer the questions the disciples were asking as a sign of his return and restoration of isreal kingdom which is yet future

I think you'd benefit by going back and looking to see what is actually written. Jesus was in the Temple grounds where He said "not one stone will be left standing", the disciples then asked Him when "these things" will take place, to which they also added, "and the time of Your coming and the end of the age".

Jesus didn't connect the destruction of the Temple with His return and the end of the Age, the disciples did--He was talking about the destruction of the Temple. And so sits them down on the Mount of Olives to spell out, clearly, what was going to happen, even within their own lifetime.

That's why when He talks about the hearing of wars and rumors of wars, and natural disasters, etc, He clearly says these are not signs of the end, but rather "birth pains"--these are the pains of labor of a fallen world, echoed again by St. Paul in Romans 8 when he speaks of the groanings of creation under the subjugation and tyranny of death. As long as we are in this fallen world, it's a world of pain and suffering, where wars, rumors of wars, conflict, and natural disasters take place, where there are famines, and diseases, which have been a constant throughout history. These aren't the end, these aren't the signs of the end, these are just labor pains.

He does talk about His return, but it's not connected with the destruction of the Temple. He had spoken of signs connected to the destruction of the Temple, which is why as Eusebius writes, the Church in Jerusalem saw the writing on the wall and fled to the wilderness. The Jewish Christians in Jerusalem fled, based on the warning from Christ; but non-believing Jews stayed and fought, and died. This was viewed as a betrayal by the Christians, and may be a major reason why Christians were never allowed to enter a synagogue after that, as not long after we see the addition of the "Benediction against the heretics" appear in the weekly rabbinic benedictions. There was already a growing rift that had been going on for a long time, but the fleeing of Christians from Jerusalem when Rome came and the Temple was destroyed, that was probably the last straw: Christianity and Judaism would forever be separate.

So what does Jesus tell us about His coming? He is clear, "no one knows the day or hour", "The Son of Man returns at a time you do not expect", when Christ comes in judgment it will be like the flood in Noah's day: two will be in a field, one will be taken and one will be left; two will be at the grind mill, one taken and one left. For people will be going about their lives "marrying and given in marriage" when, without warning, the flood came and swept them all away (Matthew 24:39).

The Lord comes, when we do not, there will be no warning, no sign to tells us ahead of time. Which is why we must be faithful, vigilant servants who stay awake and not sleep on the job; (Matthew 24:45-51). The Lord provides us with several Parables concerning this, the Parable of the Ten Virgins, the Parable of the Talents, and then also His warning about future Judgment. Who is the foolish virgin? Who is the unfaithful servant? He who sees the hungry and gives them no food, who sees the thirsty and gives them no drink, who sees the naked and gives them no clothing. For "I was hungry and you did not feed Me" etc.

So see to it that, rather than seeking after signs, abide in the word of Christ who tells us to love our neighbor and be obedient to the charge He has given us--His return is certain, but unknown. But when He comes, He comes in Judgment. He shall divide the tares from the wheat, and the goats from the sheep. He comes to tread the winepress of God's righteous wrath against all wickedness.

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Not really. Daniel's weeks were fulfilled with the rebuilding of the Temple following the end of Captivity. The "messiah" that Daniel speaks of is almost certainly Cyrus, it's not THE Messiah, but a messiah. Messiah simply means "anointed", thus lots of people were anointed for tasks, the priests of the Temple, the kings of Israel and Judea, the prophets, etc. But Cyrus was chosen by God for the unique task of allowing the Jews to return and rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple, hence Daniel counts the time from Jeremiah's proclamation that Jerusalem would be rebuilt, to the time of its restoration. Which was about 70 years, aka "weeks".

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It will happen in the future at the time of yasha returns…yasha was not referring to the Roman
So He wasn't responding at all to the people who were standing in front of HIm, and to whose questions He was presumably responding. Ain't buying it. That's simply ignoring the context in which our Lord was speaking in an effort to shore up an ill-constructed doctrine.
 
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Any temple built in Jerusalem will be meaningless stone and those who are of faith in Christ will have nothing to do with it. I pray that God strengthen His people with the resolution to abstain from false worship and apostasy should that ever transpire.
Amen brother

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God and King of kings, keep and protect Your Church, by Your Holy Spirit guard us against every false teaching and snare of the devil. Christ, keep us, have mercy on us, abide in us and we in You. You who are of the Father, true God the Son, and who deigns to meet us and dwell with us sinners. Make Your precious habitation in and with us, O King and Savior, by Your Holy Spirit.

Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, one God; as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. Amen.

-CryptoLutheran
Amen
 
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So He wasn't responding at all to the people who were standing in front of HIm, and to whose questions He was presumably responding. Ain't buying it. That's simply ignoring the context in which our Lord was speaking in an effort to shore up an ill-constructed doctrine.
He was responding to both… he told them this current temple would be destroyed but Titus did not fully fulfill the prophecy that is yet to take place when the antichrist sets an idol of himself in the future temple and the idol comes to life and commands the Jews to worship the idol and the antichrist and impose the mark which will cause many to flee the persecution

Don’t believe me that’s fine it’s not going to transpire like I said anyway In our lifetime
 
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He was using Daniel to answer the questions the disciples were asking as a sign of his return and restoration of isreal kingdom which is yet future
That is the doctrine speaking. It would have us believe that our Lord turned away from His disciples and was facing us instead, and and that the fulfillment of His words in their lifetimes was merely an amazing coincidence. Again, it's making a doctrine the filter through which our Lord's Words are being passed to appear to support a priori assumptions. That's 180 degrees out from how things should work. Our Lord's words, in the context in which they were spoken, are our baseline. Proper doctrine should be drawn from that. As it is, Dispensational Furutists more commonly stand that on its head, making their doctrine the baseline and "interpreting" our Lord's words to fit. Dat ain't right.
There will be another temple in the near future
Scripture says nothing of the sort. Your doctrine requires a new Temple, so y'all say there'll be one, nemmind the utter absence of any Scriptural support for the idea.
Yet there will be worshippers again when a new temple is erected and that does not take away from what yasha said
He said nothing of a Temple other than the one that was standing before He left.

Nonetheless these things will happen and signs will follow concerning these things that will point to Christ return
For good or ill, there is no Scripture that supports that notion.
Many prophecies are still yet to be fulfilled concerning Jerusalem and the temple yet to be built …
To be blunt, no.
 
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That is the doctrine speaking. It would have us believe that our Lord turned away from His disciples and was facing us instead,
No he was answering the question what are the signs of his return to rule in Jerusalem and establish the kingdom which is still yet to take place


and and that the fulfillment of His words in their lifetimes was merely an amazing coincidence.

Not sure what u mean here


Again, it's making a doctrine the filter through which our Lord's Words are being passed to appear to support a priori assumptions. That's 180 degrees out from how things should work. Our Lord's words, in the context in which they were spoken, are our baseline. Proper doctrine should be drawn from that. As it is, Dispensational Furutists more commonly stand that on its head, making their doctrine the baseline and "interpreting" our Lord's words to fit. Dat ain't

Many Sign will take place before his return to rule in Jerusalem and rev is full of them…


Scripture says nothing of the sort. Your doctrine requires a new Temple, so y'all say there'll be one, nemmind the utter absence of any Scriptural support for the idea.

Paul said he (ac) will sit in the temple claiming to be god which has not happen yet

Jesus said the same thing referring to the AOD (idol worship) in the temple in the future before his return as lightning shines in the east and the west

In rev John is instructed to measure the temple for judgement

He said nothing of a Temple other than the one that was standing before He left.
No he did not …


For good or ill, there is no Scripture that supports that notion.

To be blunt, no.
Rev is full of unfulfilled prophecies not to mention all the unfulfilled prophecies in the Old Testament like ezek temple yet to be built as well as the Gog Magog war

Many prophecies will be complete when Jesus rules from Jerusalem
 
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If you'll notice, the Temple was once again desecrated by the Romans in roughly the same manner that it was by Antiochus, and then destroyed. No call waiting for that one to happen, it did, whether or not your doctrinal view is that it somehow "didn't count".
The temple in 70AD was desecrated by the Jews themselves. The Temple was already burned down when the Romans breached the walls.

You cannot say in the same manner. The Jews let Antiochus Epiphanes set up shop in Jerusalem. Jerusalem nor the temple was destroyed by Antiochus Epiphanes. The Romans held Jerusalem under seige for months. That is why the Jews slaughtered themselves and desecrated their own Temple. It was the price paid on the children and grandchildren because their parents claimed the Blood of Christ was on their hands.
 
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