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We Are In The End Times

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This is what i believe too
The last day ends human government and begins divine government with the start of the millennium
Impossible. Because the Millennium only lasts for a thousand years. At the end of it, Satan is released for a short while, THEN the GWT Judgment.
THAT will be the last Day, as everyone who has ever lived will stand before God and Eternity commences. Revelation 21 -22
The first seal starts Daniel 70 week
The 70th 'week' will start with the signing of a peace agreement between the leader of the One World Govt and the leaders of the Christian peoples. Daniel 9:27
 
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Impossible. Because the Millennium only lasts for a thousand years. At the end of it, Satan is released for a short while, THEN the GWT Judgment.
THAT will be the last Day, as everyone who has ever lived will stand before God and Eternity commences. Revelation 21 -22
I see why you believe that is the last day
But I believe yasha (Jesus ) is taking about the last day of human government

The first resurrection ends with the last day of human government and the retuning of yasha to start the millennium

The millennium is a new era. An era of divine government upon the earth. With a diving being visibly ruling in Jerusalem and this ends the age before it

The rest of the dead (the lost) do not rise again till GWT judgement of God

This is the second death




The 70th 'week' will start with the signing of a peace agreement between the leader of the One World Govt and the leaders of the Christian peoples. Daniel 9:27
Nah if that were to takes place as you say , it will be a false messianic age

And I do however believe a false messianic age is coming …but how it takes place is a mystery to me but mystery Babylon will play a major role to decieve even the elect that the messianic age has arrive

The 70th week takes place at the end of human government thus the end of the false messianic age yet to come

The age of grace ends with the false messianic age

And the last day of human government Yasha returns
 
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The first resurrection ends with the last day of human government and the retuning of yasha to start the millennium
Unfortunately, the Government of Jesus is not permanent, as Satan does challenge it after the Millennium.
The Last Day of God's Plan for mankind must be when Satan is finally disposed of and Eternity commences with God dwelling with mankind.
Revelation 21:1-7
Nah if that were to takes place as you say , it will be a false messianic age
That peace treaty commences the final 7 years of this age. Only when Jesus Return, at the Seventh Bowl, Revelation 15:13-18, does the Millennium age begin.

It seems that you have a predilection for jumping to wrong conclusions.
 
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Unfortunately, the Government of Jesus is not permanent, as Satan does challenge it after the Millennium.
Yes he is let loose for a season

The Last Day of God's Plan for mankind must be when Satan is finally disposed of and Eternity commences with God dwelling with mankind.
Revelation 21:1-7

That will take place yes but is it the last day spoken of by yasha? Again as I read the scriptures I find that the first resurrection takes place as I mentioned before

That peace treaty commences the final 7 years of this age. Only when Jesus Return, at the Seventh Bowl, Revelation 15:13-18, does the Millennium age begin.
So just to entertain your thoughts if a peace treaty takes place tomorrow and 7 years begins after that, you have jesus returning in around 2030? So jesus comes and we can embrace him and talk to him or is he here but invisible or metaphorical… what I’m asking is is he reigning personally or spiritually?


It seems that you have a predilection for jumping to wrong conclusions.
What signs would convince you that the messianic age and millennium were here if a peace treaty took place tomorrow?
 
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A lot of people don't realize it but we are living in the end times.
The end of human government is still some time away

Yasha will not return to rule in Jerusalem anytime soon

We have been in the last generation since 1948 when Israel became a nation again.
There will be more generation to come

The pretribulation rapture theory is a lie.
It’s not


Those who believe in a pretribulation rapture will be caught by surprise by these end times events.
Only thing that would surprise me would be all the lies that would come from those claiming a messianic age as come


The mark of the beast is also being prepared in the form of a digital currency and a microchip implant.
Those are not the mark


I believe that Jesus will return within the next 10 years and possibly within the next 5 years. We are living in the end times and the signs are everywhere.
No signs only technological disasters man made to deceive
 
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Yes he is let loose for a season
When Satan is destroyed and Death is no more; THEN the Kingdom of God commences for Eternity.
That will take place yes but is it the last day spoken of by yasha? Again as I read the scriptures I find that the first resurrection takes place as I mentioned before
That resurrection is only for the GT martyrs. Thinking otherwise opposes Revelation 20:4.
So just to entertain your thoughts if a peace treaty takes place tomorrow and 7 years begins after that, you have jesus returning in around 2030? So jesus comes and we can embrace him and talk to him or is he here but invisible or metaphorical… what I’m asking is is he reigning personally or spiritually?
The Prophesies tell us of things which must happen before the treaty can be made,
It will be the worldwide devastation of the Sixth seal which sets the scene for a One World Govt and for the Lord's faithful peoples to gather in all of the holy Land. This 7 year peace treaty is between those two entities.
It’s not
Jesus said that no one can go to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13
The idea of a 'rapture to heaven', for anyone at any time, is false teaching and will never happen.
 
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When Satan is destroyed and Death is no more; THEN the Kingdom of God commences for Eternity.

Yes

That resurrection is only for the GT martyrs. Thinking otherwise opposes Revelation 20:4.
there are several resurrections taught in scripture

The Rapture- the dead in yasha and living transformation at his coming in the aIr with 2 trumpets sounding off

The great multitude rev 7:13-17 great
Trib saints resurrected before the 7 seal
No mention of his coming nor trumpets sounding off and these are the same souls seen under the alter in heaven and more of them was prophecied to die in the same manor as they were for the word of god and for the testimony they had… these are the false messianic age martyrs
These are seen in heaven and will serve in the temple of god in heaven

AOD saints rev 20-4
They will be priest during the millennium
And reign with him
no mention of a trumpet call here

The 2 witnesses after three and 1/2 days no mention of a trumpet call but instead a loud voice from heaven said “Come up here” they went up into heaven in a cloud

^All these make up the first resurrection ^

The lost dead resurrection for the gwt and second death no trumpets sound off for those

And these 5 resurrections do not mention each other taking place at the same time and to assume they all take place at his coming is an error

But let’s look at Rev:4:20

This class of people resurrected died a specific way ..during the AOD

Some are to be beheaded for witnessing for yasha …
Some are to become true prophets who will speak the word of God in those days and are beheaded as well …

They were killed for not worshipping the beast
Some killed for not worshiping the idol
Some killed for not having the mark on their forehead
Some killed for not having the mark in their hand

These martyrs will be resurrected and will reign with Yasha on earth

The Prophesies tell us of things which must happen before the treaty can be made,

Like what?
It will be the worldwide devastation of the Sixth seal which sets the scene for a One World Govt and for the Lord's faithful peoples to gather in all of the holy Land. This 7 year peace treaty is between those two entities.

Why would you and others go to the holy land to make a treaty with the leader of one world only to be persecuted by him?
Jesus said that no one can go to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13
The idea of a 'rapture to heaven', for anyone at any time, is false teaching and will never happen.
That’s not what John said , he said no one has ever gone up to heaven (of their own power) except Yasha

This suggest that yasha was a man ,died rose again ,but is no longer mortal, he was the first fruit to put on immortality and able to fly upwards toward heaven
He was in in the grace and his body decayed/corruptible but then he arose and put on a incorruptible body and was
able to go back to heaven in this manner

No one was ever given such a possibility before him which is what John meant

And as we know
Yasha made a way to the father
 
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The Rapture- the dead in yasha and living transformation at his coming in the aIr with 2 trumpets sounding off
This is error.
What happens at the glorious Return, is a transportation of the living Christian peoples, from wherever they are to where Jesus is. Initially in the atmospheric clouds, then to Jerusalem. As 1 Thess 4:16-17 says.
The ONLY dead people raised will be the GT martyrs. The living transformed, [made immortal] does not happen until the GWT Judgment.
This class of people resurrected died a specific way ..during the AOD

Some are to be beheaded for witnessing for yasha …
Some are to become true prophets who will speak the word of God in those days and are beheaded as well …

They were killed for not worshipping the beast
Some killed for not worshiping the idol
Some killed for not having the mark on their forehead
Some killed for not having the mark in their hand

These martyrs will be resurrected and will reign with Yasha on earth
I agree.
These are seen in heaven and will serve in the temple of god in heaven
Not true, just your speculation.
Like what?
The Sixth Seal world changer. That disaster will set the scene for the establishment of the One World Gove and enable the Christian peoples to gather in all of the holy Land. This prophesied treaty, Danel 9:27, will be made between those two entities. The Leader of the OWG will come us when he sees how the Lord saves us from the Gog. Magog attack.
So; the Sixth and Seventh Seal, the G.M attack, all take place before the final 7 years of this age commences.
Why would you and others go to the holy land to make a treaty with the leader of one world only to be persecuted by him?
We Christians will live in peace and prosperity , being the people God always wanted in His holy Land, for several years. As many Prophesies say. Zechariah 10:8-10, +
The persecution comes only during the final 42 months, Revelation 13:5-8, Daniel 7:25 and only those who violated the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, will experience persecution, the faithful Christians will be kept safe for that 1260 day time. THEY are [mostly] the ones gathered by the angels when Jesus Returns; Matthew 24:31

As for the 'rapture' theory, I am saddened to see how good people must twist plain Words of Jesus to suit a doctrine. John 3:13 is not a stand alone scripture, it is supported by many other statements by Jesus and others, of how we humans never go to heaven. After the Millennium, God and heaven come to us. Revelation 21 to 22.
 
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This is error.
What happens at the glorious Return, is a transportation of the living Christian peoples, from wherever they are to where Jesus is. Initially in the atmospheric clouds, then to Jerusalem. As 1 Thess 4:16-17 says.
The ONLY dead people raised will be the GT martyrs. The living transformed, [made immortal] does not happen until the GWT Judgment.

I agree.

Not true, just your speculation.

The Sixth Seal world changer. That disaster will set the scene for the establishment of the One World Gove and enable the Christian peoples to gather in all of the holy Land. This prophesied treaty, Danel 9:27, will be made between those two entities. The Leader of the OWG will come us when he sees how the Lord saves us from the Gog. Magog attack.
So; the Sixth and Seventh Seal, the G.M attack, all take place before the final 7 years of this age commences.

We Christians will live in peace and prosperity , being the people God always wanted in His holy Land, for several years. As many Prophesies say. Zechariah 10:8-10, +
The persecution comes only during the final 42 months, Revelation 13:5-8, Daniel 7:25 and only those who violated the Covenant, Daniel 11:32, will experience persecution, the faithful Christians will be kept safe for that 1260 day time. THEY are [mostly] the ones gathered by the angels when Jesus Returns; Matthew 24:31

As for the 'rapture' theory, I am saddened to see how good people must twist plain Words of Jesus to suit a doctrine. John 3:13 is not a stand alone scripture, it is supported by many other statements by Jesus and others, of how we humans never go to heaven. After the Millennium, God and heaven come to us. Revelation 21 to 22.
Will see keras peace
 
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You are right; it will only be after these things happen, that most people will finally understand. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 32:3-4
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You do realize those verses in Isaiah you quoted is a good thing that blind people will see and deaf will hear referring to literal healing of people who are literally blind and deaf

It’s not a spiritual or metaphor healing but a real god like healing like when yasha was here
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Rubbish, All the Prophesies like Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 29:18, Isaiah 32:3-4, refer to those who are spiritually blind and deaf.
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ZEPHANIAH: THE DAY OF THE LORD'S WRATH

It was Zephaniah's lot to speak on the most unpleasant subject in the Bible -- the judgment of God. This is not the only place where this theme occurs, of course, but it is the most concentrated treatment of the judgment of God as the whole book is devoted to this one theme.

There are many people who would like to rule this subject of judgment out of the Bible entirely. There are those who tell us that the God of the New Testament, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, is the kind of a God who can never move in judgment. His heart is so tender, his love is so gracious, his patience is so infinite that there never will be a time when God will move in vengeance. It should be noted though, that in the New Testament the Lord Jesus spoke very frequently about the judgment of God. In the fourth chapter of Luke we are told that the Lord came back to his home town after preaching in Judea for many months. He had done many miracles and the word of his miracles had preceded him, so all the folks in Nazareth were very anxious to see him. He had not behaved like this when he was a boy growing up, and they were keen to see if he was going to do some mighty work when he came home.

Luke tells us that Jesus went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and he was given the book of the prophecy of Isaiah to read. Opening the scroll he found the place in Isaiah 61:1-2a; The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. Luke 4:10 Then he stopped right in the middle of a sentence, right at a comma, and his last word was that he had come to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord. But Isaiah goes on to say, and the day of vengeance of our God. Isaiah 61:2b Jesus did not read that because it was not the time for the Day of vengeance of God. It is this day particularly, that Zephaniah is talking about.

Zephaniah means "hidden of the Lord" and the prophet is speaking as if he were a representative of the remnant of faith -- those relatively few people who will remain true to God and be faithful to Him, through this disaster that is to come upon the earth. They will be hidden, as it were, by God himself among the nations of the earth and God will watch over them to keep them in faith during this time. And it is about these people that the book of Zephaniah is written, and especially of that coming day, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, which is vividly described by the prophet.

In chapter 1, Zephaniah gives us the character of God's vengeance. It is not a pleasant passage.

"I will utterly sweep away everything
from the face of the land, says the Lord.
I will sweep away man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds of the air
and the fish of the sea.
I will overthrow the wicked;
I will cut off mankind
from the face of the earth," says the Lord.
"I will stretch out my hand against Judah,
and against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
and I will cut off from this place the remnant of Baal
[the false god of the peoples around Israel]
and the name of the idolatrous priests;
those who bow down on the roofs to the host of heavens;
[the star worshipers]
those who bow down and swear to the Lord
and yet swear by Milcom;
[one of the other gods the surrounding nations]
those who have turned back from following the Lord,
who do not seek the Lord or inquire of him.

Be silent before the Lord God!
For the day of the Lord is at hand.


The day of the Lord is the day of the manifestation of God's hand directly in human affairs. Notice the personal pronoun all through that passage: "I will sweep away everything." I will sweep away man and beast." "I will cut off mankind." God is working through events in history, working through nations and armies and calamities of various sorts. But as He did in Noah’s day, He will use His creation to once again reset civilization, this time with fire, as over 70 prophesies tell us.

The Apostle Paul also uses the term "the Day of the Lord." In 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 he says:

But as to the times and seasons, brethren, you have no need to have anything written to you. [Why not? Well, because they already had it in the Old Testament.] For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When people say, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief. For you are all sons of light and sons of the day; we are not of the night or of darkness. So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober.

There are many other passages that also refer to the Day of the Lord and they all agree that in the time when men are proclaiming peace, but preparing for war; in a time when they are holding to a form of godliness but denying the powers thereof; in a time when they are declaring that the problems of life are being solved. but when actually they are in greater danger than they have ever been before, then the Day of the Lord will come.

Now let us return to Zephaniah and see what he has to say about this (chapter 1. verses 7-9):

Be silent before the Lord God!
For the day of the Lord is at hand;
the Lord has prepared a sacrifice
and consecrated his guests.
And on the day of the Lord's sacrifice --
"I will punish the officials and the king's sons
and all who array themselves in foreign attire ...
every one who leaps over the threshold,
and those who fill their master's house
with violence and fraud.


How can this be? How can the God of love -- the God of the New Testament -- do a thing like this? How can God, who loves mercy and is slow to anger, ever come to this place?

It is this kind of reasoning that suggests we should go through our Bibles and tear out every part that does not agree with our concepts of God. But what we have left, of course, is nothing more than what we like, what we think God ought to be like.

You can see how such an argument defeats itself. The very book that tells us that God is a God of love also says he is a God of vengeance. And anyone who thinks carefully about himself and about love will understand why a God of love has to be a God of vengeance. For if we love someone, we hate everything that injures that person. We are against whatever threatens or destroys what we love. And the very love that moves the heart of God to pour himself out over the centuries in an unceasing effort to awaken man to his need and to hear the call of grace, is the same love that at last prompts him to eliminate those who refuse all the province of his grace, and identify themselves with that which is opposed to his will and to his work among men. Then he has nothing left to do but to destroy them. And that is why the prophet speaks so plainly about this.

Continuing in Zephaniah 1:14-18:

The great day of the Lord is near,
near and hastening fast;
the sound of the day of the Lord is bitter,
the mighty man cries aloud there.
A day of wrath is that day,
a day of distress and anguish,
a day of ruin and devastation,
a day of darkness and gloom,
a day of clouds and thick darkness,
a day of trumpet blast and battle cry
against the fortified cities
and against the lofty battlements.


And God says in stark frankness,

I will bring distress on men,
so that they shall walk like the blind,
because they have sinned against the Lord;
their blood shall be poured out like dust,
and their flesh like dung.
Neither their silver nor their gold
shall be able to deliver them
on the Day of the wrath of the Lord.


Now it is not easy for God to speak this way. He himself says that he takes no delight in the death of men. He says that he does not delight in judgment. Judgment, the prophet says, is his strange work. His heart delights in mercy. But eventually, if his will is to be done, if earth at last is to break out into the glorious freedom of the promises of the prophets concerning man, if the dreams that lie hidden away in the hearts of men of a warless world, a time of prosperity. a time when joy floods the earth, when men live together in glorious harmony, when even the animals lose their enmity toward one another and peace shall cover the earth as the waters cover the sea -- if that is ever to come, then God must deal with the entrenched evil of men. This is why the coming of the day of vengeance of our God is absolutely certain. The prophets warn of this and the word speaks very clearly. all through the New Testament as well, that when God's grace is turned aside, God's judgment awaits.

In Zephaniah 2:8-9 we trace the extent of God's vengeance. Certain nations are named;

"I have heard the taunts of Moab
and the revilings of the Ammonites, "Moab shall become like Sodom,
and the Ammonites like Gomorrah,


The Ethiopians are mentioned in verse 12 and the Assyrians in verse 13. The interesting thing is that although all these nations are long since lost in the dust of history, the promise of this day of the Lord is in the future. How can this be? Why are these nations mentioned here when they have long been buried in antiquity? How can they yet be destroyed in a day to come?

The answer is, of course, that these nations are used symbolically throughout the Scriptures as well as literally. They were literally destroyed in the course of history, but they are used symbolically with reference to the full and final meaning of the day of the Lord. Moab, for instance, is always a picture of the flesh of man -- his dependence upon his own resources. The Ammonites picture the same thing. Ethiopia is a picture of the stubbornness, or the intransigence of man. "Can the Ethiopian change his color?" the Scriptures say. And Assyria is man in his arrogance and his pride. Now God says he is against all these things, and as he moves at last in judgment on the human race, these are to be eliminated. In chapter 3 you will notice how extensive God's wrath is;

Woe to her that is rebellious and defiled,
the oppressing city!
She listens to no voice,
she accepts no correction.
She does not trust in the Lord,
she does not draw near to her God.


This could be said of almost all the cities of the earth. As you read on you see that this is a world-wide matter;

"Therefore wait for me," says the Lord,
"for the day when I arise as a witness.
For my decision is to gather nations,
to assemble kingdoms,
to pour out upon them my indignation,
all the heat of my anger;
for in the fire of my jealous wrath
all the earth shall be consumed."


What for? What is God after? Is he just interested in getting even, wreaking his vengeance at last upon the stubbornness and willfulness of men? Is he visiting the earth with this terrible hurricane of destruction in order to leave it nothing but a smoking ruin, barren and desolate, without inhabitants? No, that is what men would do if there were another world war. We would leave the earth desolate, but God will never leave it that way.

After you read the description of all the darkness, gloom, and slaughter -- after the desolation and the destruction, what is the next word? Verse 14:

Sing aloud, O daughter of Zion;
shout, O Israel!
Rejoice and exult with all your heart,
O daughter of Jerusalem!


Why? You see, this is the new order that is to follow. This is why God is dealing with men, so that he might bring out songs instead of sorrow, service instead of selfishness, security instead of slavery. This will be the consequence of God's judgment. And we are told that the Lord God is in the midst of the people, not for judgment;

The Lord within her is righteous,
he does no wrong; ... The Lord, your God, is in your midst,
a warrior who gives victory;
he will rejoice over you with gladness,
he will renew you in his love;
he will exult over you with loud singing
as on a day of festival.

"I will remove disaster from you, ...
deal with all your oppressors.
And I will save the lame
and gather the outcasts,
... change their shame into praise
and renown in all the earth.
At that time I will bring you home,


What a picture this is! Specifically, of course, it has to do with the remnant of Israel, but it is a picture of God's loving care during any time of despair or darkness., God calls back the remnant of Israel, plus all the people grafted in, to Himself and they will at last break out into the song of the redeemed. Now the singing here is led by the Lord himself in a marvellous, glorious melody of joy. It reminds me of that beautiful passage in the Song of Songs:

For lo, the winter is past,
the rain is over and gone.
The flowers appear on the earth,
the time of singing has come. Song of songs 2:11-12a


That is what follows the time of judgment. But no one but the redeemed can join in that song. That is what Zephaniah tells us about. Although it is a painful scene, one that begins in darkness and gloom, it ends in joy and gladness and singing.

Ref: Ray Steadman
 
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A lot of people don't realize it but we are living in the end times. We have been in the last generation since 1948 when Israel became a nation again. The pretribulation rapture theory is a lie. Those who believe in a pretribulation rapture will be caught by surprise by these end times events. The mark of the beast is also being prepared in the form of a digital currency and a microchip implant. I believe that Jesus will return within the next 10 years and possibly within the next 5 years. We are living in the end times and the signs are everywhere.
I also believe we are living at the end of days. I say this due to dreams I had around 5-10 years ago, I had three Russian war dreams, one of which I believed God said when I saw the war we were entering the End Times, and our time was up. One of the dreams was very specific and detailed things about the Ukraine War, including how the women and children were separated from the men, the men had to stay and fight, in the start of the dream I also saw people fleeing from the Russian army.

There is also a very detailed prophecy given by an 80-year-old woman in 1964(or 8), who predicted many events leading up to the return of Christ. All of her predictions have come to pass so far. I talk about her predictions in the following video. Like you I also believe there is no rapture, and that the church will go through the Tribulation period.

 
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A lot of people don't realize it but we are living in the end times. We have been in the last generation since 1948 when Israel became a nation again.

We've been living in the time of the end for the last two thousand years. Since Christ's first coming, and they will continue until His second. It's been two thousand years so far, and it could be another two thousand or even ten thousand (or it could be ten seconds after I post this). We don't know how long the Lord will tarry, and we can't know when He will come again, He says so.

The UN resolution to create the modern nation called Israel in 1948 has no meaning, no bearing, and no significance whatsoever. The promises concerning the return of the Jews from exile were fulfilled centuries before Christ when they returned after the Exile.

The pretribulation rapture theory is a lie.

I agree. But all forms of Dispensationalism are problematic, whether it is in the Pretrib Rapture form or any other form. If it were just a matter of "timing" that would be one thing; but the entire theological root is itself deeply problematic as Dispensationalism at its heart is a rejection and denial of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Its chief errors aren't that it tends toward pre-trib rapturism, but that it fundamentally re-writes the entire story of the Bible, the entire redemptive drama unfolding from the beginning in Genesis, and of Christ's person, work, mission, and atonement are changed to fit its schema.


Those who believe in a pretribulation rapture will be caught by surprise by these end times events. The mark of the beast is also being prepared in the form of a digital currency and a microchip implant.

Why would you, or anyone, believe this?

I believe that Jesus will return within the next 10 years and possibly within the next 5 years. We are living in the end times and the signs are everywhere.

This is where you tread from being wrong to dangerous. First, Jesus told us explicitly that we wouldn't know when He returns. Second, everytime--literally every time--someone claims to have an idea about when Jesus will return they're wrong.

Ten years ago I saw people saying Jesus would return within the next 5-10 years. Twenty years ago I saw people saying the same thing. Go back 100 years ago, you'll see the same. Go back almost 200 years ago and you'll see William Miller getting wrong. Go back 500 years ago, 1000 years ago, 1,500 years ago. Wrong, wrong, and still wrong.

The one thing everyone who thinks they know when Jesus will or might return has in common is that they are all wrong. And they are doing what Jesus told them not to do--don't make predictions. When He comes it will be without warning, two will be in a field and one is taken and the other left, two will be at the grindstone, one taken and one left. When Christ comes in Judgment it will be as in the days of Noah, people going about their lives as normal, getting married, raising families, going to work, plowing the field, grinding grain, making bread etc--then, without warning, the flood came. So will it be with the coming of the Son of Man.

So, Jesus tells us, don't be like the foolish virgins, but like the wise virgins--the Bridegroom will return when he returns, but not one moment before then. To be a faithful servant, not like the unfaithful servant who burried his talent in the ground waiting for the return of his master.

If the end comes tomorrow, then go and plant a tree. If the end comes in an hour, go and feed your neighbor.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Well they are not the same thing.

Well they are though.

This is the time of the end, and it has been since our Lord walked the earth two thousand years ago. And it will continue until He returns in Judgment.

There's nothing in Scripture that suggests some extra-special "end times".

There are certainly a lot of people who bend over backward trying to re-write and recombulate the entirety of the Bible to make their preferred ideas about "the end times" come out right. But the Bible, when read honestly, simply doesn't give us any room for these kinds of elaborate fictions and fanciful apocalyptic speculations.

For example, the game of pin the tail on the antichrist has been going on for a very long time. When the Bible itself doesn't even really tell us much, if anything, about some end-of-the-world supervillain known as "The Antichrist".

St. John in his first two epistles tells us that antichrist is coming and many antichrists are already, speaking of certain heretics. St. Paul speaks of a "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thessalonians, but doesn't elaborate to suggest that this is some "Antichrist" who will show up at the end of history. LIkewise, St. John of Patmos speaks of the beast and false prophet in the Revelation, but again, nothing about the end of history, nothing about a end-of-the-world supervillain.

So all people are left with is cobbling together what they think might be in reference to an end-of-the-world supervillain called "The Antichrist", and then they go searching throughout the Bible to find bits and pieces that they can try and add to their list--totally ignoring all biblical context. So, for example, they will go to the book of Daniel which talks about the Seleucid Wars and claim that the "king of the north" isn't actually about Antiochus IV, but is secretly and actually about that end of the world Antichrist. Some, in antiquity, such as St. Hippolytus (who I otherwise respect) went all the way to Genesis where Jacob says that Dan is a lion's whelp and went "aha! Jesus is the lion of the Tribe of Judah, so anti-christ will be a lion's welp from the Tribe of Dan!"--but why? Why make that leap? Nothing in Genesis actually indicates that. Just as nothing in Daniel points to the king of the north being "the Antichrist".

This isn't reading the Bible honestly. This is like a cartoonish ransom note, of taking random letters from different magazines and gluing them onto paper to make a new message; this verse, these words from that verse, are torn apart by scissors and then glued together to get the desired result--regardless of the actual context or meaning of the Scripture. That's just not right, that's wrong. That's not being a faithful reader and student of the Bible.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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There's nothing in Scripture that suggests some extra-special "end times".
Only about a quarter of the Bible!

Obadiah 1:15-21 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations, they will be treated as they have treated others and their wrong actions will recoil upon themselves. My people will drink the wine of God’s wrath, then all the nations in turn will drink of it and be devastated by it. But in Jerusalem there will be a holy remnant, the Lord’s people will be like a flame while the House of Esau will be burnt up with no survivors. My [Christian] people will possess all of the holy Land that was given to Abraham and those in Jerusalem who lead My people will control the lands of the Edomites, but the Kingdom belongs to the Lord.

Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise as He did at Mt Perazim and in the valley of Gibeon, and storm with rage to do what He must do, to perform His task – a strange and alien deed. But now, have done with all arrogance and pride or the Lord will increase His punishment, for destruction is decreed over the whole Land. Jeremiah 10:18

Isaiah 26:10-11 Lord: Your hand is lifted high and Your enemies can’t see Your good will toward Your people. [Let them see and be ashamed.] Let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. The wicked are destroyed, they have never learnt justice, they are corrupt and blinded to Your Majesty and power.

Micah 4:11-12 Now, many nations are massed against Israel, they say: Let Zion suffer outrage, we will gloat over their demise. They are unaware of the Lord’s plans, for His purpose is to gather them like sheaves to the threshing floor. Psalms 83:1-8

Nahum 1:5 The earth quakes before the Lord, the world and all who live in it are in tumult. Who can stand before His wrath? Who can resist the fury of His anger, poured out as fire? 2 Peter 3:7



The Lord will arise and storm with rage, as He did in ancient times’. Psalms 83:9-18, Jeremiah 30:23-24, Isaiah 51:9

His task, strange and alien’. We know God as a God of love, but also of justice and it is just to punish those who do not obey Him and who attack His Land. Isaiah 34:5

destruction is decreed’. The entire Middle East will be burnt and devastated. Ezekiel 30:3-5, Isaiah 17:1, Amos 1:3-15

‘fire reserved for the Lord’s enemies will consume them, His anger poured out as fire’. A massive sunstrike CME will fulfill all these prophesied effects. Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1

‘My people will drink the wine of God’s wrath’. This will be the third ‘swing of the sword’ Ezekiel 21:14, the final judgement/punishment of the Jewish people. Jeremiah 2:9, Ezekiel 24:14 Only a remnant will survive. Romans 9:27

‘now, many nations are massed against Israel’.
This perfectly describes the situation today and they want to ‘gloat over her demise’. Psalms 83:1-18

‘The House of Esau, burnt up – no survivors’. Those attacking Israel will be totally wiped out. Zephaniah 3:8, Zephaniah 2:4-5, Jeremiah 49:35-37

‘those who lead My people’. Another proof that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11
 
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That's always good policy. Even if our Lord isn't coming for another 100 years, there's nothing to say we won't get hit by a bus tomorrow morning, in whiuch case it would be good to be ready to go.
If you get hit by a bus because the driver was raptured, was it because you were ready for the wrong event?
 
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Well they are not the same thing.
I guess somebody forgot to tell that to Paul:

1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
 
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This is what i believe too
The last day ends human government and begins divine government with the start of the millennium


The first seal starts Daniel 70 week
Because Daniel couldn't count? 70*7>2000? That's Doctrinal Mathematics right there.
 
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Because Daniel couldn't count? 70*7>2000? That's Doctrinal Mathematics right there.
No Jipsah Daniel had an old fashion calculator so math was not the problem

It’s the interpretation that people fail to get …when read carefully Daniel reveals a gap between the 69th week and 70th week
 
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We have been in the end times since Christ's resurrection. The thing is people always try to predict the day and time and they ALWAYS fail.

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

So quit trying to predict it. If the angels don't knoe how to you have more knowledge of God's will than the angels?
 
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