Was Trump Fascist?

[DaisyDay]

How is that racist? If he was not born in the US he does not qualify to be POTUS. Anything else?

It is racist because Obama was born in the US and the Hawaiian Dept. of Health attested to that. Plus his mother was a citizen. Donald just harped on the issue for years because it resonated with the rabble he was rousing. He put a white supremacist in charge of immigration policy.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It is racist because Obama was born in the US and the Hawaiian Dept. of Health attested to that. Plus his mother was a citizen. Donald just harped on the issue for years because it resonated with the rabble he was rousing. He put a white supremacist in charge of immigration policy.

Obviously there was some question regarding it but how is that racist? And Biden is better? He has a big racist past as do the Democrats and you know it...

I found this very interesting: Take It From the Black Robin Hood: Biden Is More Racist Than Trump

 

[peaceful-forest]

The reason for this question, is that the news has been suggesting a possible presidential run for Ron DeSantis, who I personally view as an authoritarian kind of person, in comparison with Trump. But then I remembered a lot of people claiming that Trump was a fascist - but I never viewed him that way.

Personally, my view of Trump is a 1980's kind of guy, who isn't the type who is into banning books, or being racist, or going against progressive, democratic values at all.

...So I was wondering where people get off calling him "fascist", especially when considering that Ron DeSantis does indeed seem more that way than Trump ever did.

In fact, I view DeSantis as so authoritarian, I might even consider voting Democrat if he becomes the primary candidate for the GOP - something I've never considered before in my life.

The people that accused Trump of fascism practice fascism themselves. That's their playbook - accuse the enemy of whatever they themselves are guilty of.

I have no idea if elections are going to be secure in 2024, but I'm not voting for DeSantis. He's part of the swamp just like the rest of them. That's why they want him.

 

[Yttrium]

How is that racist?

From Trump, it isn't. I don't think Trump is intentionally racist. He's racially insensitive. He doesn't consider the racial ramifications of his words and deeds.

 

[iluvatar5150]

How is that racist? If he was not born in the US he does not qualify to be POTUS. Anything else?

Obviously there was some question regarding it but how is that racist?

There was no question regarding it. Even if he had been born abroad, his mother having been a citizen meant he was automatically qualified. End of discussion.

It was racist because the charge that he was some sort of interloper only stuck because he was black. Not-black Ted Cruz was born abroad to an American mother and non-American father and there was barely a peep from the same crowd of people over his eligibility.

And Biden is better? He has a big racist past as do the Democrats and you know it...

I found this very interesting: Take It From the Black Robin Hood: Biden Is More Racist Than Trump

You asked how Trump was racist. I answered. If you want to make a more accurate comparison between them, compare 1994 Biden to 1994 Trump and 2020's Biden to 2020's Trump.

 

[Landon Caeli]

From Trump, it isn't. I don't think Trump is intentionally racist. He's racially insensitive. He doesn't consider the racial ramifications of his words and deeds.

I think some people who were politically active during the early 2000's are going to call that "political correctness"... Something Trump may remember himself, and has kept in his pocket over the years as something to avoid.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

There was no question regarding it. Even if he had been born abroad, his mother having been a citizen meant he was automatically qualified. End of discussion.

It was racist because the charge that he was some sort of interloper only stuck because he was black. Not-black Ted Cruz was born abroad to an American mother and non-American father and there was barely a peep from the same crowd of people over his eligibility.

You asked how Trump was racist. I answered. If you want to make a more accurate comparison between them, compare 1994 Biden to 1994 Trump and 2020's Biden to 2020's Trump.

I don't see it as racist. It was a question. It was not just Trump who was questioning it. I heard similar things regarding Cruz at the time but he was never elected as POTUS. I did ask how Trump was racist and you have not provided any evidence yet there is a ton of actual evidence (some from actal statements he made) from the past regarding Biden...

 

[sandman]

Why? Is that what you're doing here?

Deflection …. is not absolution of guilt.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

From Trump, it isn't. I don't think Trump is intentionally racist. He's racially insensitive. He doesn't consider the racial ramifications of his words and deeds.

Trump does not discriminate regarding his insensitivity lol...I mean he is from NY!

 

[Pommer]

I don't see it as racist. It was a question. It was not just Trump who was questioning it. I heard similar things regarding Cruz at the time but he was never elected as POTUS. I did ask how Trump was racist and you have not provided any evidence yet there is a ton of actual evidence (some from actal statements he made) from the past regarding Biden...

“Questioning it” for four years…why was Mister Trump so very tenacious about the topic?

 

[iluvatar5150]

I don't see it as racist. It was a question.

No, it wasn't merely "a question." If it had been merely a question, it would've stopped being asked once it had been answered. Instead, it lasted the entire duration of Obama's presidency.

It was not just Trump who was questioning it.

I never said it was. This manifestation of racism was pretty common among the right at the time.

I heard similar things regarding Cruz at the time

It was raised a couple times, but not remotely as frequently.

but he was never elected as POTUS.

While Trump may have only picked up on the Birther movement after Obama was elected, the conspiracy theory itself was in full swing well before the election.

I did ask how Trump was racist and you have not provided any evidence yet

No, I have. You've just chosen to reject it, act as an apologist for Trump, and throw out some whataboutisms about Biden. Silly me, I assumed you were being sincere when you asked the initial question.

 

[iluvatar5150]

“Questioning it” for four years…why was Mister Trump so very tenacious about the topic?

Trump "questioned it" for 4 years, but it had already been a thing for a good 4-5 years by the time he picked up on it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

This doesn't seem "fascist" to me at all:

"Trump’s agenda has been a boon to the gay community. Through his philanthropic work over the years with charities combating

By "authoritarian" and "fascist", I just mean someone who restricts freedom by dictating a predisposed set of values which need to be accepted... Not necessarily someone who builds a large military or refuses to engage in discussions with opponents.

I'm thinking USSR style, when I say authoritarian or fascist - of course neither Trump or DeSantis are quite that bad, but that's the opposite of freedom to me, and that's the concept I'm attempting to portray here by using these words.

Ok....so just a synonym for authoritarian. The USSR wasn't fascist....it was socialist/communist. It didn't impose morality through strict enforcement....it imposed fear through random enforcement. No one was safe, ever, at any time.

Regardless, when you ask if they were "fascist" do you mean their political views or methods?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Ok....so just a synonym for authoritarian. The USSR wasn't fascist....it was socialist/communist. It didn't impose morality through strict enforcement....it imposed fear through random enforcement. No one was safe, ever, at any time.

Regardless, when you ask if they were "fascist" do you mean their political views or methods?

The USSR was authoritarian, Ana. There's no doubt about that.

But referring to DeSantis, I feel like banning books, regardless of content, is a HUGE no-no in regards to the American brand of freedom. Other right-wing politicians in Texas have been doing some other authoritarian syle things as well lately (like trying to ban under-18's from social media), which is something I tend to keep an eye on, being a freedom loving American. Stop making more laws!

...Trump never acted that way. And neither have any other right-wing politicians in recent times. To me, it seems to be a new, and troubling trend - a path I don't want to take.

 

[peacefulseeker]

Trump flip flopped on some key issues that might have him labelled a fascist. For example, he didn't send in the National Guard to Seattle or during protests, a.fascist would not have hesitated.

However, I would say he had impulses that could lead to fascist behavior without much warning if the right scenario occurred.

 

[Tuur]

It is racist because Obama was born in the US and the Hawaiian Dept. of Health attested to that. Plus his mother was a citizen. Donald just harped on the issue for years because it resonated with the rabble he was rousing. He put a white supremacist in charge of immigration policy.

Ah, no. It is erroneous because Obama was born in the US and not in Africa, as was alleged. Just as it was erroneous to claim John McCain wasn't a US citizen because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Neither claim was racist. Wrong, yes; racist, no.

 

[variant]

I think Trump would be best described as a Right wing Authoritarian Nationalist, which is a bit different from a fascist in practice if not in theme.

I think he falls short on Militarism overt racist intent, suppression of political opposition and the subordination of individualism to the common good of the nation and race (that last one by a lot because republicans are incredibly and predictably animals of self interest first).

Also the militarism since he was predictably traditionally right a right wing republican (for more military but against it's use).

Fascism isn't common, garden variety racism authoritarianism or overt nationalism, it is those kinds of things turned up to the absurd.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, it wasn't merely "a question." If it had been merely a question, it would've stopped being asked once it had been answered. Instead, it lasted the entire duration of Obama's presidency.

While Trump may have only picked up on the Birther movement after Obama was elected, the conspiracy theory itself was in full swing well before the election.

No, I have. You've just chosen to reject it, act as an apologist for Trump, and throw out some whataboutisms about Biden. Silly me, I assumed you were being sincere when you asked the initial question.

So Trump was not the originator of it so you can't claim he was racist because he questioned it too. No you have not, you just claimed racism without any evidence like you are continuing to do now. I was being sincere. And Biden DOES have actual real evidence of racism...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

“Questioning it” for four years…why was Mister Trump so very tenacious about the topic?

Maybe because he is a conspiracy theorist? Maybe because there was no birth certificate or one that was thought altered? I never heard him say it was because of Obama's race...

 

[Pommer]

Maybe because he is a conspiracy theorist? Maybe because there was no birth certificate or one that was thought altered? I never heard him say it was because of Obama's race...

Can something be racist that doesn’t have a “this is racist” sign on it?