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I'll put this out just for interesting discussions as I really don't think it's all that 'theologically' related, BUT the fact that there has been a superabundance of VERY VERY LARGE SKELETONS found throughout the world is a FACT.
Yes, there are some internet fabrication photo's, but there is also an overwhelming amount of hard physical evidence that a GIANT RACE of HUMAN BEINGS once lived on this planet and did so an an organized way i.e. built tombs, temples and left all kinds of evidence that they were here and BEFORE us.
so...the topic is kind of interesting to say the least, imho.
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Personally, I'd be very interested in this particular topic and abundantly more interested in any actual documentation and/or evidence of giants having lived in the past. You know, actual bones and that type of stuff. If you can actually provide any of the same, then why not start another thread on this topic? Again, I, for one, would be very interested in the same. Thanks.
Because it is only a presumption that the days in Genesis were only 24 hour days.
We're talking the potential of a pre Adamic race and that potential is certainly attested to by carbon dated bone remnants.
The text attests to entire races of UNSEEN beings. Don't know how a person could read and actually miss that fact. In fact if we differentiated devils from Holy Angels that would be two different races or genus of beings, and possibly several others. And these probably pre-existed Adam as well.
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Well, that's kinda what this thread appears to be about.
A good documentary, for anyone who's interested, is here:
Mysterious Stone Chambers & Giants Discovered in New England- Jim Vieira - YouTube
Over the years I've heard now & then about the possibility that a human like race lived prior to Adam, or even in conjunction with Adam and this explains the huge difference in races amongst other things.
I'd like to hear the thoughts of others if you would...
Was there a race of beings on earth prior to Adam and humans?
What do you believe and why? - Please provide scripture if you can..
Is that skull real or just another internet hoax?
By those who groups who speak of a "Pre-Adamic race"--what they mean by such is hokum.
All people today are "in Adam", regardless of ethnicity or skin color.
Now scientifically speaking the hominid line has evolved over millions of years, and there have been numerous hominid species, with some living side-by-side with others.
Homo erectus was eventually replaced by Homo sapiens, though the two lived side by side for quite some time.
Neanderthals, of which there is some disagreement whether they are to be classified as Homo sapiens neanderthalensis or Homo neanderthaensis seems to exist; it is now known that modern Homo sapiens (Homo sapiens sapiens) and Neanderthals did breed, and thus many today have Neanderthal DNA.
So in that sense, sure we could speak of hominids "before Adam", where Adam is understood as the first spiritually cognizant hominid from which we are all descended, understanding the narrative of Genesis 2 as being a theological text, not a strictly "historical" one.
But, again, those who tend to speak of a "pre-Adamic race" are usually various "race theorists" who adhere to unorthodox theologies, usually in order to try and make one "race" of man the "pure Adamic race" (usually white people) and everyone else somehow "sub-human". This was common in the 19th century, and in the early part of the 20th century.
Besides the obvious problems with this is that it presumes that "races" are somehow concrete realities of humanity. But there are no concrete, distinct "races", instead there is a gradient of peoples. It is more-or-less social convenience to speak of "white people" or "black people" or "Asians". But nobody is a "pure race" of anything, we are the sum of our ancestry, and our various characteristics (e.g. skin color) are expressed through the gradient of humanity across the globe. In other words, people groups from any given location are going to more closely resemble near-neighbor people groups. And things like skin color has largely been determined by the adaptation of people groups based on climate--people groups farther from the equator receive less UV-light and thus produce less of the UV-protecting pigment melanin in the skin; thus people further from the equator have lighter skin while people nearer to the equator have darker skin. Such melanin mutations are also the reason for eye color and hair color mutations (blue/green eyes are a result of a lack of melanin in the eye; whereas blonde and red hair are also the result of a lack of melanin in the hair).
A good example might be to look at Europe. Begin with Scandinavia and start moving south until you get to the Mediteranean, move south from southern Italy and Sicily and then North Africa. Then move south of the Sahara etc.
It's a gradient, distinct, concrete human "races" more-or-less are a matter of social convenience, not because there is actually such a thing as a "white race" or a "black race" or a "yellow race" etc.
-CryptoLutheran
What does the length of time in a day have to do with any alleged pre-Adamic race?
Scriptures certainly do not preclude races prior to 'us' as mankind currently. And yes, scriptures also cite 'beings' or 'entities' prior to mankind, such as satan and devils and even holy angels, ALL pre Adamic. Even Jesus was PRE Adamic.Again, we're looking for actual scriptures which speak of the same and there aren't any.
I don't think it all transpired in a strict 6 literal days with 24 hours, no.Btw, you don't really think that there were millions or billions of years between the plants being created and the sun being created, do you?
I'm not fond of positions that require literal days or hours for their understandings as there is ample scriptural evidence that shows that isn't 'always' the case.Also, I think that we all know what "and the evening and the morning were the first day" means...
I've already referenced at least 3 commonly known (or at least should be by you) entity classes that existed prior to Adam. You shouldn't need me to do your homework for those scriptural facts.Carbon dating has many problems with it, but, again, I'm looking for scripture. Got any?
Well, there ya go.Which "text" are you referring to? Anyhow, I don't doubt that angels existed pre-Adam.
The thread heading doesn't specify that.In fact, scripture plainly teaches that they did, but I thought that we were talking about HUMANS.
I've already said that archeology records show a much longer dating of human 'type' activity and bones than 6000 years and that scripture doesn't preclude that as a possibility.Does anybody have a text that teaches that there were HUMANS pre-Adam? No, no one does, nor will they ever.
They have tons of exposing videos on fakes, even showing how to make your own, or how to photoshop one. Some of whats being put out there as genuine but was really sculpted, sometimes the same skull is being used in two different discoveries. Even ordinary human remains are used in some of the photos.
Probrobly cant tell always by sight by a picture because that can be deceptive, but theres some really good videos out there exposing the fakes.
speaks of giants in scripture, I dont see the sizes of those matching whats suppose to be genuine. Just good enough for me such are mentioned, I dont need a bone to believe the scripture.
Teaches is the key word. I think all it teaches is that God created man out of the elements he'd already created. Exactly how I don't speculate much. I wouldn't begin to understand the ways of God.As far as the text of Genesis goes, I do not believe that it teaches that there were humans before Adam and Eve.
Speaking of hokum...
Teaches is the key word. I think all it teaches is that God created man out of the elements he'd already created. Exactly how I don't speculate much. I wouldn't begin to understand the ways of God.
I do see much symbolism in Gemesis. Not unlike Revelation. Adam means human man.. If we lose sight of that we can lose site of the entire creation.
Okay, besides the evolutionary aspect which I touched upon--which I know you disagree with and I am not going to get into a debate about here--what exactly was hokum in my description of:
A) The bogus racialist theologies of the 19th and early 20th century
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B) That human variation is a gradient and not a set of concrete "races"
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Or were you just commenting on the evolutionary part of my post?
-CryptoLutheran
Neither is Revelation. Just messages written to the Church(es) of that day.I generally have a problem with using the text of Genesis to prove things that simply aren't explicitely stated in Genesis: "proving" that each day is millions of years, or "proving" that they are 24 hours, or "proving" that Adam was an "8th day creation", or "proving" any numbet of other things that are beyond the scope of what is written in the text. I am not advocating hyper-literalism, but Genesis is not full of codes and secret knowledge that was unavailable to us before Dr Strong.
Where does it say Adam was "ruddy"?
No, Eve is not the spirit. She is, however, the mother of all living for from her is The Son who is The Spirit.The Scriptures plainly say that all those who believe have been born of the Spirit. Is Eve this Spirit then?
Jesus answered, Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit." John 3:5-6
I don't understand....the following has nothing to do with Eve being the mother of all living spiritually. Actually, it validates what I am saying:PS. I know what you are attempting to do, but I'm afraid Matthew 12:46-50 is not going to work in this context.
Good question. I hear black is beautiful.
"Was There a Pre-Adamic Race? "
Sure there was, but since the bible begins about 5 or 6 thousand years ago such discussions can hardly seem edifying in a christian context .
Yeah, the son of Jesse was spoken as being of "ruddy" appearance:
And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance. 1 Samuel 17:42
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