Was the first day of the week also called the Lord's day?

[tonychanyt]

That is only an opinion, and more word games and no evidence.

So you don't know whether it is true or not?

 

[Semper-Fi]

So you don't know whether it is true or not?

It is your opinion not mine, with no bible verses to back it up,
of course I believe it is false. You still show no evidence when
asked, just more word games that is wasting my time.

 

[tonychanyt]

It is your opinion not mine, with no bible verses to back it up,

Did you read the OP?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Did you read the OP?

Yes of coarse, And I addressed them long ago in my first post.

You have still never showed any bible connection
except that John mentions first day in one book, and
the Lords day in another book, with no other connections.

 

[tonychanyt]

Yes of coarse, And I addressed them long ago in my first post.

You have still never showed any bible connection.
except that John mentions first day in one book, and
the Lords day in another book, with no other connections.

Right. Did I claim that P1 is true?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Right. Did I claim that P1 is true?

You think the Lord's Day was more likely the first day of the week than any other day of the week.
Then post #2 - Lord's Day = Sunday = 1st day of week you liked.

So do you believe P1 is true or not?

 

[tonychanyt]

You think the Lord's Day was more likely the first day of the week than any other day of the week.
Then post #2 - Lord's Day = Sunday = 1st day of week you liked.

So do you believe P1 is true or not?

Good question.

I think so but not 100% sure.

Do you think P1 is true?

 

[Semper-Fi]

I think so but not 100% sure.

With no bible connection of the two.

Do you think P1 is true?

I answered that question already for you.

 

[tonychanyt]

With no bible connection of the two.

I answered that question already for you.

I am willing to beat on what I wrote if you take the opposite side.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

No, the days starts in the evenings. Saturday the 7th day- the evening part is Friday evening and ends at sundown on the first day Saturday evening (Sunday). The evening part of the first day (Sunday) is Saturday evening.

only according to some current day Jews...sunrise to 9AM was the first hour

 

[Semper-Fi]

That was the day of Jesus' resurrection, not an assembly of the church.

Is there any bible verses telling us to keep the day of Jesus' resurrection?
The only sign Christ gave was 3 days and 3 nights, the 1st day was not the day he arose.
There is new testament verses to keep Passover and the days of Unleavened bread.

The following are pretty clear:

Are they really, at a quick glance maybe, but under further study with an open mind....

Ac 20:7 - "On the first day of the week when we were gathered together to break bread."
They assembled on Sunday for the Lord's Day breaking of bread.

First- Acts 20 relates to events of this one particular first day of the week, only/ no command.
Second- this does not say they assembled on Sunday for the Lord's Day anywhere in the bible.
Third- "breaking bread" here is eating a meal and giving thanks, by Scripture interpretation.

6And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread,
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

They observed the Days of Unleavened Bread and the “Passover/Communion”
service at Philippi that year, after which they came to Troas in five days,
where they remained seven days.

7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together
to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow;
and continued his speech until midnight.

After the Sabbath day had ended,[at sunset], “upon the first day
of the week…the disciples came together to break bread.”
They came together to eat a meal after dark, [night part of 1st day].

Paul's custom was to kept the sabbath, like Christ custom was.
Paul and companions was concluding their seven-day visit in passing this town.
Paul was leaving in the morning [daylight portion of the first day].

To Paul this was a work day, he was taking a long walk to catch-up with his
companions who left ahead by boat around the peninsula verse13.

Paul preaching happened daily Acts 5:42 "And daily in the temple, and
in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ."
So Paul's preaching on this first day is something he did everyday he could.

Acts 20:11 Paul preached, and continued preaching/teaching until midnight.
They had no opportunity to stop and “break bread” until then.
When Paul “therefore was come up again”—after restoring the one who had
fallen down from the third balcony“ and had broken bread, and eaten”

Note “Broken bread and eaten.” This breaking bread was not Communion, it
was simply eating a meal. This old expression was commonly used designate
a meal. It still is used in that sense in parts of even the United States.

Luke 22:16, Jesus was introducing the Lord’s Supper, taking it with His disciples.
He said, “I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
Yet, the day after His resurrection, after walking with the two disciples to Emmaus, “...
as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them”

(Luke 24:30). Here Jesus “brake bread,” but it was not the Lord’s Supper,
which He said He would not take again then. It was a meal—“he sat at meat.”

Notice Acts 2:46. The disciples, “continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness?.…”

Here again, “breaking bread” means eating a meal.
Not on the first day of the week, but daily.

Again, when Paul was shipwrecked on the voyage to Rome, the sailors was fasting
out of fright. But “Paul besought them all to take meat, saying, This day is the
fourteenth day that ye have tarried and continued fasting, having taken nothing.

Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health?.… And when
he had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all:
and when he had broken it, he began to eat” (Acts 27:33-35).

Here Paul broke bread to give to unconverted sailors who were hungry.

In all these texts the expression “breaking of bread,” or “to break bread” means,
simply eating a meal and not a Communion service/Lord’s Supper/first day events.

When we read Acts 20:7, 11, “the disciples came together to break bread,” and
how Paul had “broken bread, and eaten,” we know by Scripture interpretation it
referred only to eating food as a meal with thanks, not to a Communion service.

Rev 1:10 - "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit. . ."

Rev 1:10 - "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit. . ."
"in the Spirit" would be he was filled/moved by/with the Holy Spirit.

The phrase "the Lord's Day" is only mentioned once in the bible.
There is no connection to "the first day of the week" in the bible.

The phrase "the Lord's Day" could be the Sabbath day of the Lords Mark 2:28.
The phrase "the Lord's Day" could be talking about the future " Day of the Lord".

1 Co 16:2 - "On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collection will have to be made."

1 Corinthians 16:2 (KJV)
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store,
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

1 Corinthians 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints,
Notice Paul had given similar instruction to a few other churches.

“But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased
them of Macedonia and Achaia [where the Corinthian church was located] to
make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit,
I will come by you into Spain” (Romans 15:25-28).

It was not money, but fruit that was being sealed for shipment to the poor
saints at Jerusalem. (The Greek word can also refer to grain, wine, and
other produce which can be stored a long time without spoiling.)

The poor saints at Jerusalem were suffering from drought and famine. They needed,
not money, but food. "a certain contribution" not a regular weekly event.

Store up by himself—at home

1 Corinthians 16 Says, “Let every one of you lay by him in STORE.”
Now why? “That there be no gatherings when I come.”

Men gather fruit out of the orchard—they gather vegetables out of the
ground, to be stored up. Not lay by at the church house—lay by him—at home.
An offering or collection would not be called a gathering.

Notice further: “And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters,
them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. And if it be meet
that I go also, they [more than one] shall go with me” (verses 3-4).

It was going to require several men to carry this collection, especially if it
was heavy meet. Paul could have carried the money alone.

This “first day of the week” was a workday—a day for gathering fruit and food
out of the orchards and the fields and gardens, and storing it up. A collection
for the poor hungry saints in Jerusalem, not for paying the minister.

It was the first labor day of the week, not a new time of worship/money collecting.
Notice Acts 2:46. The disciples, “continuing daily with one accord in the temple,
and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness?.…”

Here again, “breaking bread” means eating a meal.
Not on the first day of the week, but daily.

Again, when Paul was shipwrecked on the voyage to Rome, the sailors was fasting
out of fright. But “Paul besought them all to take meat, saying, This day is the
fourteenth day that ye have tarried and continued fasting, having taken nothing.

Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health?.… And when
he had thus spoken, he took bread, and gave thanks to God in presence of them all:
and when he had broken it, he began to eat” (Acts 27:33-35).

Here Paul broke bread to give to unconverted sailors who were hungry.
In all these texts the expression “breaking of bread,” or “to break bread” means,
simply eating a meal and not a Communion service/Lord’s Supper/first day events.

When we read Acts 20:7, 11, “the disciples came together to break bread,” and
how Paul had “broken bread, and eaten,” we know by Scripture interpretation it
referred only to eating food as a meal with thanks, not to a Communion service.

 

[Clare73]

Is there any bible verses telling us to keep the day of Jesus' resurrection?

No, it is simply practice, in honor of God's new creation through the atoning work of Jesus.

 

[rstrats]

No, it is simply practice, in honor of God's new creation through the atoning work of Jesus.

And in addition, the scriptures are silent with regard to anyone practicing a keeping of the first day of the week in honor of the resurrection.

 

[Clare73]

And in addition, the scriptures are silent with regard to anyone practicing a keeping of the first day of the week in honor of the resurrection.

Strawman.

There are indications in the NT that Sunday was a day of worship.

Ac 20:7 - "On the first day of the week when we were gathered together to break bread."
They assembled on Sunday for the Lord's Day breaking of bread.

Rev 1:10 - "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit. . ." (worship)

1 Co 16:2 - "On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collection will have to be made."

Since it was brought on Sunday, probably it was collected at worship service, not at home.
Justin Martyr indicates in his Apology, 1.67-68 that in his time (150 A.D.), offerings were brought to the churches on Sunday.

 

[rstrats]

There are indications in the NT that Sunday was a day of worship.

Ac 20:7 - "On the first day of the week when we were gathered together to break bread."
They assembled on Sunday for the Lord's Day breaking of bread.

Rev 1:10 - "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit. . ." (worship)

1 Co 16:2 - "On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collection will have to be made."

Since it was brought on Sunday, probably it was collected at worship service, not at home.
Justin Martyr indicates in his Apology, 1.67-68 that in his time (150 A.D.), offerings were brought to the churches on Sunday.

Those verses say nothing about the resurrection.

 

[Richard.20.12]

I'm curious why you are asking this question. Why would you consider them the same? Have you found scripture that hints at that? They don't read the same. When people think "the Lord's day" would they also think "the first day of the week"? Perhaps we've been so conditioned to Sunday being church day some would make that connection. But that is just our modern, flawed life that mostly ignores the Sabbath in the Old and New Testaments.
From Genesis onwards the Sabbath has always been the Lord's day. And when "the first day" is mentioned anywhere that is differentiating it from the Sabbath. How often do Bible stories mention the 2nd or 3rd day of the week? Ever? If ever it's mighty rare. The Sabbath is the important day, a day of significance. And that's why it's mentioned over and over throughout the Old and New Testaments.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

St. John Chrysostom on keeping the Jewish Sabbath by Christians

“For though few are now circumcised, yet, by fasting and observing the sabbath with the Jews, they equally exclude themselves from grace... You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul’s words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews? Is it that you fear the Law and abandonment of its letter? But you would not entertain this fear, did you not disparage faith as weak, and by itself powerless to save. A fear to omit the sabbath plainly shows that you fear the Law as still in force; and if the Law is needful, it is so as a whole, not in part, nor in one commandment only; and if as a whole, the righteousness which is by faith is little by little shut out. If you keep the sabbath, why not also be circumcised? And if circumcised, why not also offer sacrifices? If the Law is to be observed, it must be observed as a whole, or not at all.” (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395])

St. Gregory the Great on keeping the Jewish Sabbath by Christians

“It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist, who when he comes will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work." (Letters 13:1 [A.D. 597])

 

[Semper-Fi]

Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions about Sunday

Roman Catholic and Protestant Confessions about Sunday

 

[Clare73]

Those verses say nothing about the resurrection.

Agreed. . .should they?

Is not the issue Sunday?

 

[rstrats]

Agreed. . .should they? Is not the issue Sunday?

No. My comment, that you quoted, was about the resurrection. So why then did you reference verses which say nothing about it?