Was the first day of the week also called the Lord's day?

[Richard.20.12]

It does say so for eternity.....Isaiah 66:22-23.

If Jesus was going to change a commandment that He kept His entire life, He would have said so, but instead tells us to keep the least of the commandments quoting right from the Ten Mat 5:19-30. The Sabbath was kept faithfully by His disciples every Sabbath, not the first day just as Jesus said for them to observe everything, He commanded of them.


There is no scripture that says one of God's commandments ended, that we can forget the one commandment God said Remember, is blessed by God and made holy by God. A Text stating this I would think would be important if the goal is to obey and follow God. God's people keep God's commandments until the very end of time. Rev 22:14. There is no scripture about a new Sabbath, a new day of worship a new holy day for man or God, just man assigning a working day to God as a holy day and making the assigned holy day God spoke and God wrote a common day. We have free will, but my choice is to follow God just the way He commanded.

I agree 100%. The point is we have "The Lord's Day" which seems to be the 1st day of the week and we have the Sabbath, the last day of the week.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I agree 100%. The point is we have "The Lord's Day" which seems to be the 1st day of the week and we have the Sabbath, the last day of the week.

The problem with this, there is no scripture that say the Lord's day is day one. Not one.

God already defined His day in His very own Words, so we do not need to guess. We can't serve two masters.

Exo20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

God does not have two holy days, He has one- He spoke it He wrote it and blessed it. Only God can reverse a blessing Num 23:20 and no man has authority to add to or subtract from God's spoken and written Word.

If someone can point out where it says the first day is the Lords Day in scripture please do so. Or Gods new day of worship, His new holy day His new commandment. Since no one has ever done so and scripture tells us God's people keep God's commandments, the Sabbath is a commandment of God, so I think we ought to obey God rather than man.

 

[rstrats]

How would you possibly draw such a ridiculous conclusion from what I wrote?

I wrote that the scriptures are silent with regard to anyone practicing a keeping of the first day of the week in honor of the resurrection.

You responded that the early Church is not silent.

Since the writers of the NT were silent about it in their NT writings, I was wondering if they were not part of the early Church, because If they were part of the early Church, then they were silent with regard to their NT writing. That's all I was pointing out. I'm not saying that they might not have mentioned it in non-canonical writings.

 

[rstrats]

Where did your "mortal sin" reference come from?

CCF_Carol, Administrator of catholicforum.com:

"Attending Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation are a requirement for a Catholic. To deliberately miss Mass (out of indifference, convenience, etc.) is a mortal sin..."

Catholic Answers Magazine FR. Ray Ryland:

In this age of Catholic laxity, many have lost sight of the fact that it is a grave (i.e., mortal) sin to skip Mass on Sunday or a holy day of obligation when one is able to attend.

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

 

[prodromos]

CCF_Carol, Administrator of catholicforum.com:

"Attending Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation are a requirement for a Catholic. To deliberately miss Mass (out of indifference, convenience, etc.) is a mortal sin..."

Catholic Answers Magazine FR. Ray Ryland:

In this age of Catholic laxity, many have lost sight of the fact that it is a grave (i.e., mortal) sin to skip Mass on Sunday or a holy day of obligation when one is able to attend.

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

I am not Catholic. I believe that the Catholic Church has deviated from the teaching of the early Church, thus your response to me is a non sequitur.

 

[rstrats]

I am not Catholic.

Sorry, for some reason I thought you were.

 

[rstrats]

I was addressing the issue of the first day of the week.

Do you have a reason other than the resurrection for the indicated worshiping on Sunday in the NT?

I don't see any reason given in the NT for worshiping on the first day of the week. Nor do I see any scriptures which say that anyone was worshiping on the first day of the week.

 

[Clare73]

I don't see any reason given in the NT for worshiping on the first day of the week. Nor do I see any scriptures which say that anyone was worshiping on the first day of the week.

The following indications were presented in post #95:

Ac 20:7 - "On the first day of the week when we were gathered together to break bread."
They assembled on Sunday for the Lord's Day breaking of bread.

Rev 1:10 - "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit. . ." (worship)

1 Co 16:2 - "On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collection will have to be made."

Since it was brought on Sunday, probably it was collected at worship service, not at home.
Justin Martyr indicates in his Apology, 1.67-68 that in his time (150 A.D.), offerings were brought to the churches on Sunday.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The following indications were presented in post #95:

Ac 20:7 - "On the first day of the week when we were gathered together to break bread."
They assembled on Sunday for the Lord's Day breaking of bread.

Breaking bread is not worship, it is having a meal, which is what the disciples did daily. Which does not make every day a new day of worship.

Acts 2:46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart,

Rev 1:10 - "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit. . ." (worship)

Notice the lack of the first day in this scripture. The Lord already claimed His holy day, so we do not need to guess. He said it plainly. Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 Gen 2:1-3, Mark 2:28. God said all other days are working days. Exo 20:9

1 Co 16:2 - "On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collection will have to be made."

The lack of the word worship in this verse is very telling.

There is no scripture in all the NT that says the first day is a new day of worship, a new holy day to God or man, a day God blessed or sanctified, a new commandment or that the Sabbath commandment was transferred to the first day. The NT was silent about the first day worship- that came long after scripture, just as God's Word warned us about. Dan 7:25 But Sabbath worship continues, for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23 and God's people keep God's commandments until the very end of time Rev 22:14. The Sabbath is a commandment of God regardless of some people's objection to it. The Sabbath is meant to bless and sanctify us, because man cannot sanctify themselves, only God can. Eze 20:12, Isa 58:13

 

[Clare73]

The lack of the word worship in this verse is very telling.

Not as telling as the denial of the implications of the NT record.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not as telling as the denial of the implications of the NT record.

I'm not in denial about the NT record, it clearly does not say what you claim it does. We all have opinions, but my faith is in God and trust what He commands for us is because its for our own good. 1 John 5:3

 

[Clare73]

We all have opinions, but my faith is in God and trust what He commandments for us is because its for our own good. 1 John 5:3

Indeed, including: "he who loves has fulfilled the law" (Ro 13:8).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Indeed, including: "he who loves has fulfilled the law" (Ro 13:8).

Agreed, and love does not go undefined nor does it delete the details. 1 John 5:2-3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

 

[rstrats]

The following indications were presented in post #95:

Ac 20:7 - "On the first day of the week when we were gathered together to break bread."
They assembled on Sunday for the Lord's Day breaking of bread.

To add to SabbathBlessings comments:
The Acts reference might very well have had them getting together to break bread with Paul because he happened to be in town and wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" can simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840.

But as SB touched on, even if the breaking of bread mentioned always did refer to the Lord’s Supper, it had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.

Rev 1:10 - "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit. . ." (worship)

First off, the first day of the week is not mentioned, and secondly, how is having a vision given to him showing that John was worshiping?

1 Co 16:2 - "On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collection will have to be made."

Since it was brought on Sunday, probably it was collected at worship service, not at home.

Not according to the following:
The Wemouth reads: "Let each of you put on one side and store up at his home". Ballantine's Translation reads: "Let each of you lay up at home". The Syriac on this passage reads: "Let every one of you lay aside and preserve at home.", The Aramaic Bible in Plain English reads: "On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.", The Lamsa Bible reads: "Upon the first day of every week, let each of you put aside and keep in his house whatever he can afford, so that there may be no collections when I come." The Darby Bible Translation reads: "On [the] first of [the] week let each of you put by at home, laying up [in] whatever [degree] he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.", The Tyndale Bible of 1526 reads: "Vpon some sondaye let every one of you put a syde at home and laye vp what soever he thinketh mete that ther be no gaderinges when I come." The A Faithful Version reads: "Every first day of the week, each one is to put aside food at home, storing up whatever he may be prospered in, so that there need not be any collections when I come." and the New Catholic Edition of the Bible reads: "....let each one of you put aside at home and lay up whatever he has a mind to".
This verse says nothing about getting together on the first day of the week.

Justin Martyr indicates in his Apology, 1.67-68 that in his time (150 A.D.), offerings were brought to the churches on Sunday.

The issue is with regard to Paul's time and Corinthians 16:2.

 

[Clare73]

Agreed, and love does not go undefined nor does it delete the details. 1 John 5:2-3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

Yes, love of neighbor is to love them as one loves oneself.

 

[Clare73]

To add to SabbathBlessings comments:
The Acts reference might very well have had them getting together to break bread with Paul because he happened to be in town and wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" can simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840.

But as SB touched on, even if the breaking of bread mentioned always did refer to the Lord’s Supper, it had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.

Every day refers to meeting in the temple courts.

First off, the first day of the week is not mentioned, and secondly, how is having a vision given to him showing that John was worshiping?

I'll guarantee you if I'm "in the Spirit," I am worshiping.

Not according to the following:
The Wemouth reads: "Let each of you put on one side and store up at his home". Ballantine's Translation reads: "Let each of you lay up at home". The Syriac on this passage reads: "Let every one of you lay aside and preserve at home.", The Aramaic Bible in Plain English reads: "On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.", The Lamsa Bible reads: "Upon the first day of every week, let each of you put aside and keep in his house whatever he can afford, so that there may be no collections when I come." The Darby Bible Translation reads: "On [the] first of [the] week let each of you put by at home, laying up [in] whatever [degree] he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.", The Tyndale Bible of 1526 reads: "Vpon some sondaye let every one of you put a syde at home and laye vp what soever he thinketh mete that ther be no gaderinges when I come." The A Faithful Version reads: "Every first day of the week, each one is to put aside food at home, storing up whatever he may be prospered in, so that there need not be any collections when I come." and the New Catholic Edition of the Bible reads: "....let each one of you put aside at home and lay up whatever he has a mind to".
This verse says nothing about getting together on the first day of the week.

Which does not remove that it could be an indication of such.
Indications are all that we have in the texts.
While the reality is found in the practice of it in the record of the apostolic age.

 

[Richard.20.12]

The problem with this, there is no scripture that say the Lord's day is day one. Not one.

God already defined His day in His very own Words, so we do not need to guess. We can't serve two masters.

Exo20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

God does not have two holy days, He has one- He spoke it He wrote it and blessed it. Only God can reverse a blessing Num 23:20 and no man has authority to add to or subtract from God's spoken and written Word.

If someone can point out where it says the first day is the Lords Day in scripture please do so. Or Gods new day of worship, His new holy day His new commandment. Since no one has ever done so and scripture tells us God's people keep God's commandments, the Sabbath is a commandment of God, so I think we ought to obey God rather than man.

I'm not saying anything about the Sabbath. Merely that the term "The Lord's day" probably refers to Sunday, not Saturday the Sabbath. Surely the day Jesus rose is important. And if John wanted to say Sabbath in Revelation he could have. But instead he said "the Lord's day". I just think that if it was the Sabbath John would have identified it as the Sabbath. Unless there are areas of the Bible where the Sabbath is also referred to as "the Lord's day"? Those specific words, not any others like "holy day". Did you go through that bible.ca page I mentioned above? It mentions several points bolstering this view.

Remember, nobody is taking anything away from the Sabbath here. That has been in place since Creation.
And as it's mentioned many times AFTER the crucifixion, clearly it's not to be ignored after the crucifixion.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm not saying anything about the Sabbath. Merely that the term "The Lord's day" probably refers to Sunday, not Saturday the Sabbath. Surely the day Jesus rose is important. And if John wanted to say Sabbath in Revelation he could have. But instead he said "the Lord's day". I just think that if it was the Sabbath John would have identified it as the Sabbath. Unless there are areas of the Bible where the Sabbath is also referred to as "the Lord's day"? Those specific words, not any others like "holy day". Did you go through that bible.ca page I mentioned above? It mentions several points bolstering this view.

Remember, nobody is taking anything away from the Sabbath here. That has been in place since Creation.
And as it's mentioned many times AFTER the crucifixion, clearly it's not to be ignored after the crucifixion.

For me, if we are going to follow God's Word I would want a text that say the first day is the Lord's Day- not a "probably"

The only day God claimed in all of scripture was the seventh day Sabbath- He claimed it as My holy day, the day to honor Him Isa 58:13, and the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. Exo 20:10

That seems clear to me.

 

[Richard.20.12]

For me, if we are going to follow God's Word I would want a text that say the first day is the Lord's Day- not a "probably"

The only day God claimed in all of scripture was the seventh day Sabbath- He claimed it as My holy day, the day to honor Him Isa 58:13, and the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. Exo 20:10

That seems clear to me.

The fact that these two terms never seem to be interchanged is the proof I think. If it was the Sabbath in Revelation wouldn't John have written that he was in the spirit on the Sabbath? Instead he says he was in the spirit on the Lord's Day. If it's called something else it doesn't make sense to assume it was the Sabbath. Unless we can find any area of the Bible that interchanges these two terms for a day that is clearly the same.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The fact that these two terms never seem to be interchanged is the proof I think. If it was the Sabbath in Revelation wouldn't John have written that he was in the spirit on the Sabbath?

No, God claimed a day from the beginning, there was never an argument in scripture on which day was God's holy day i.e. the Lord Day- the day Jesus and the disciples kept. When Christ died on the cross- It is finished - nothing could be changed to His everlasting covenant. If Jesus was going to change one of His Father's commandments that He kept His whole life- He would have said something to someone.

Instead he says he was in the spirit on the Lord's Day. If it's called something else it doesn't make sense to assume it was the Sabbath. Unless we can find any area of the Bible that interchanges these two terms for a day that is clearly the same.

If something new was going to be introduced, John who does not have authority to change one of God's commandments, would have connected it what that meant, if it was something completely different than what is stated throughout the entire bible and a commandment of God that John shows God's saints keeping until the very end of time. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14