Was Solomon Saved?

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Was Solomon Saved?

Yes, I believe Solomon was saved for several key reasons.

#1. Solomon wrote books in our Bible. We do not have a book of Judas or a book of Balaam.

#2. We know Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes and the conclusion of those writings was warning the young youth who goes after lustful desires will face God's judgment (Ecclesiastes 11:9) The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14). This I believe is Solomon writing about himself.

#3. Solomon is called beloved of his God in Nehemiah 13:26.

#4. Jesus Christ never mentions Solomon in an unfavorable light but in a positive way. This is important because Jesus Christ nor any other prophet or disciple ever mentioned somebody that was damned in a favorable sense. In fact, I believe there are important spiritual points that are made by understanding why Jesus spoke about Solomon in a positive way (More on this to come).

#5. 2 Samuel chapter 7 tells us God would take away his mercy from Saul but he would not take away it away from Solomon. For God says that He will be a father to Solomon and he will be like his son, if he commits iniquity he will be chastened by the Lord with a rod of iron. This is an important fact to understand because the New Testament says, "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth" (Hebrews 12:6). Anyways, here is the passage in 2nd Samuel.

2 Samuel 7:12-16
12 "And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."

Anyways, this is why I believe Solomon will be at the first resurrection and not the second.

I hope this helps.

And may God bless you.

Side Note:

Oh, and Saul will be at the 2nd resurrection, which is the resurrection of the damned. Saul had committed suicide and could not have repented of such a sin. So he obviously is in Torments (awaiting destruction in the Lake of Fire) and he did not go to Abraham's bosom (i.e. Paradise).

What is wrong with the youth going after lustful desires? I believe I am saved. After becoming Christian and becoming solid in faith and saved and doing a lot of work I was instructed to worship other Gods. I did and had fun, but I kept thinking about Christians judging people and this had me angry because I wasn't bugging them. Anyway I attacked in words as Satan would fellow Christians. I repent and feel bad for that happening. Hell is no good, and Satan sewing seeds of discord doesn't help much either. Eternal damnation isn't good, fun is, and hell is eternally bad damnation. To be saved is goood, and not to judge is good. To have a balance is key as no one is perfect and there is no one way to go about things. I have much wisdom and am a fighter, I just hope I'm saved, hell isn't good but I think of it as awesome, the Devil's domain.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

FIRESTORM314 said:
King David was anointed - having such a close relationship with God it would be obvious he learned quite a few spiritual principles and the mysteries of God. He also had a prophetic gift and I would say knew more than all of us about God.

We teach our children about God don't we? Did David teach Solomon what he knew? Yes. Would that include repenting - yes.

Solomon faced the consequences of his actions - he wanted peace. He gained enemies in the end.

The Ten commandments mention the children suffer for the sins of the parents to the third and fourth generation. His own son would suffer as a result. Solomon was spiritually aware to know the violation of the ten commandments and the consequences. Did he repent? - I bet he did ( he was wise enough )- he would have been disappointed with himself and more than a little sorry for causing problems for his successor.

The very best of them failed and so do we.
It's great to have a mediator in heaven and a New Covenant

My question is - when did Solomon realize he had done wrong?
Did he not spot his own Sin?
Why did he deviate from the straight path that he talked about

Was Solomon's Sin even greater because he knew more ?

Do our children suffer for our sins?

Children only suffer for our sins if they follow after them. It could be cute, it could be ugly.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

David7818 said:
Children only suffer for our sins if they follow after them. It could be cute, it could be ugly.

Anyway everyone learns at their own pace and with instruction. My grandfather raised me extremely well. He did a great well balanced job and was a great awesome grandfather. My grandmother did her part as well and I respect them.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

Thou shall not kill is a good commandment. It's wrong to kill and make people slaves.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

They say God made people slaves but I believe it was the yeast of the Pharisees and saducees as Jesus said. I believe he was right, it makes a person 100 times worse to a thousand times worse wanting to kill children and babies and the youth and probably all younger for their utopia and it is wrong. The youth are the future and just because someone is a kid doesn't matter; he or she can grow up and do many things in life as an adult and maybe even as a kid or just be a well balanced kid and kids are like a little you, your kid is a small version of yourself with their very own characteristics. I think Jesus should be against this and they should repent.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

Master JC is a good master. So is God and his sons. The sons of Christ are as well.

Apologetic_Warrior · Mar 22, 2018

While dispensationalism and an Arminian understanding of salvation might cause a person to question the salvation of the Old Testament Saints, Reformed Covenant theology leaves no doubt, the Saints of the Old Testament are saved, chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Saints such as King Solomon are a stumbling block to those influenced in the ways of Wesleyan teachings on holiness and entrenched in external legalism guised as internal sanctification.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

Apologetic_Warrior said:
While dispensationalism and an Arminian understanding of salvation might cause a person to question the salvation of the Old Testament Saints, Reformed Covenant theology leaves no doubt, the Saints of the Old Testament are saved, chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Saints such as King Solomon are a stumbling block to those influenced in the ways of Wesleyan teachings on holiness and entrenched in external legalism guised as internal sanctification.

So wisdom is good but doesn't save? Then it would be a reflection of you that saves or is a stumbling block.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

David7818 said:
So wisdom is good but doesn't save? Then it would be a reflection of you that saves or is a stumbling block.

Wisdom is power.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

David7818 said:
Wisdom is power.

so is knowledge and having your time and doing things your way. Yes, God is good too. He could help his son and family out. He's a good man that has his work and priorities. His son helped him accomplish many great things. This speaks volumes for the youth and God shouldn't be against them.

David7818 · Mar 22, 2018

David7818 said:
so is knowledge and having your time and doing things your way. Yes, God is good too. He could help his son and family out. He's a good man that has his work and priorities. His son helped him accomplish many great things. This speaks volumes for the youth and God shouldn't be against them.

You should just live your life and have fun and pleasure.

dreadnought · Mar 22, 2018

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Who ever said they were without fault? I've never met someone who was without fault.

Well, if the reason they spend eternity in hell is because they didn't know the name of Jesus, and if the reason they didn't know they name of Jesus was because he didn't exist yet, then I'd say the fault didn't lie with them.

dreadnought · Mar 22, 2018

Ronald said:
Here's a secret: Hell is not eternal. The word eternal is an English word from the Greek, "aion, aionios or aionion". This word has variable meanings but mostly when it is applied to temporal things, it means age(s), lifetime(s), epoch(s), generation(s), world. All temporal things will pass away. Hades and Death will be cast into the Lake of Fire and destroyed.
Other words that are misinterpreted are destroyed and perish. Destroy means to put an end to, same with perish. It may take time, but there is an end to it. You can't destroy something over and over again forever. Btw, forever when correctly translated come from aionios as well and means for ages. Everlasting then means, age-lasting or age-during. [Youngs Literal Translation is helpful for these specific words]
So the damned, who will be destroyed are not indestructible, likewise, an imperishable perishing doesn't make sense either.
So then, "eternal" is correctly used when it is applied to God, His domain and our salvation, things that will go on. The dead who are damned will be thrown into a Lake of Fire and be destroyed, like paper is destroyed. Hell had been a confusing concept that has kept people away from Christianity for that reason.
Now, I will get the majority of people who hold to this traditional eternal view of hell and for them, don't bother in your rebuttal, I don't want to derail the thread. If eternal hell is acceptable to you, if you think you can live in heaven for eternity while billions of souls are suffering in an eternal torture chamber, well ... you go with that thought.
God is just, fair and merciful. Some people live 20 or 30 years of sinning. Does eternal damnation sound like a just judgment for that? God taught us His justice all through the Bible and it was always fair. His punishments were fair and just but they were always finite. So think of Hades as part of the underworld, this earth and the Lake of Fire on/in earth as well. If you can accept that, that they are not in some spiritual location, then you can believe that "all former things will pass away" -- meaning they are temporal.

I know hell is not eternal (it is eternal, but we don't get sent there eternally unless we refuse to repent of our sin eternally, I believe), and you know hell isn't eternal. Try telling that to someone else.

Bible Highlighter · Mar 22, 2018

Ronald said:
I know, I was just saying why would you have to make a case for it to begin with? I mean, of all people, who wouldn't think Solomon wouldn't be saved? I suppose those who hate Jews would, who perpetrate a false doctrine of Replacement Theology ... I guess?

Got Questions website does not believe in Replacement Theology and they are unsure of Solomon's status with God. They actually do not think we should use the terms saved in relation to the OT saints. This of course is wrong to say this. OT saints went to Paradise or Abraham's bosom.

I have heard others say he was not saved like Dan Corner, etc.

timewerx · Mar 22, 2018

I think when Solomon allegedly wrote Proverbs, he is unsaved then. That was the time he indulged in his worldly wealth and committed grievous sins with his unGodly wives.

And likely to be saved when he allegedly wrote Ecclesiastes. That's the time he realized that worldly wealth is meaningless.

Jesus said the same thing in the Gospel.

It's ironic when Christians pay little attention at Ecclesiastes when it could reflect Solomon's renewed perspective of things after he repented of his sins. They are only agreeable with Solomon in Proverbs in his worldly perspective *before* he repented.

Bible Highlighter · Mar 22, 2018

David7818 said:
What is wrong with the youth going after lustful desires? I believe I am saved. After becoming Christian and becoming solid in faith and saved and doing a lot of work I was instructed to worship other Gods. I did and had fun, but I kept thinking about Christians judging people and this had me angry because I wasn't bugging them. Anyway I attacked in words as Satan would fellow Christians. I repent and feel bad for that happening. Hell is no good, and Satan sewing seeds of discord doesn't help much either. Eternal damnation isn't good, fun is, and hell is eternally bad damnation. To be saved is goood, and not to judge is good. To have a balance is key as no one is perfect and there is no one way to go about things. I have much wisdom and am a fighter, I just hope I'm saved, hell isn't good but I think of it as awesome, the Devil's domain.

Solomon is not an example of how we can live as we please. Solomon is an example of how not to live. However, he is also an example of God's grace, as well. For Solomon went prodigal ....

...but he came back. The verses I posted in the OP prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Solomon was saved in the end.

Again, do not misunderstand me. I do not believe in Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved gospel or belief. I argue heavily against those kinds of beliefs. For we have to live holy if we are going to make it (Hebrews 12:14). But we also are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace. Solomon is proof of that. So we should look at Solomon's life as an example of how not to live, but we should also realize that God's mercy and grace is what truly saves us in the end.

I believe the following verse sums up Solomon's end.

Ronald · Mar 22, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Got Questions website does not believe in Replacement Theology and they are unsure of Solomon's status with God. They actually do not think we should use the terms saved in relation to the OT saints. This of course is wrong to say this. OT saints went to Paradise or Abraham's bosom.

I have heard others say he was not saved like Dan Corner, etc.

I said that off the cuff, it was jab at them because I know they are out there. I don't know what everyone believes.

Bible Highlighter · Mar 22, 2018

dreadnought said:
I know hell is not eternal (it is eternal, but we don't get sent there eternally unless we refuse to repent of our sin eternally, I believe), and you know hell isn't eternal. Try telling that to someone else.

Well, I believe there is a real hell, but the wicked are not screaming in pain of being engulfed in fire. How do we know? The rich man was not screaming. The rich man was being tormented by the heart of the flame around him or in the Lake of Fire between the great gulf fixed between him and Abraham. Either that or he was in some kind of strange other worldly fire that did not really hurt him enough to make him scream out in pain. For the rich man was not screaming in pain like a normal person would be screaming if they were engulfed in flames. For if a real human being was lowered down into a camp fire, chances are that they would be screaming like crazy.

As for the Lake of Fire:
Well, God is into fair justice. How do we know?

47 "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
(Luke 12:47-48).

So this means that God will not torture people way beyond what the crime calls for. They will eventually be destroyed in the Lake of Fire after they pay the price for their sins.

In addition, the word "forever" (and it's related words) does not always mean forever in the Bible. “Forever” can be talking about "forever" here on this Earth (as long as someone lives) or in having a sense of "completeness" or "totality" for a specific thing). For what do you make of the following verses below that say that "forever" (or it's related words) is not forever?

• In Genesis 13:15 the land of Canaan is given to Israel “forever”.

• The Law is to be a statute “forever” (Exodus 12:24; Exodus 27:21; Exodus 28:43).

• Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude 1:7) until -- God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom" (Ezekiel 16:53-55).

• Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jeremiah 30:12) until -- the Lord "will restore health" and heal her wounds (Jeremiah 30:17).

• The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Micah 1:9) until -- Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ezekiel 16:53).

• Ammon is to become a "wasteland forever" and "rise no more" (Zephaniah 2:9, Jeremiah 25:27 until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of the Ammonites" (Jeremiah 49:6).

• An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord's congregation "forever" until -- the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3):

• Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were "everlasting" until -- they "were shattered" Habakkuk 3:6).

• The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting" priesthood (Exodus 40:15), that is-until-it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 7:14-18).

• Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings 8:13), until -- the Temple was destroyed.

• The children of Israel were to "observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant" (Exodus 31:16)-until -- Paul states there remains "another day" of Sabbath rest for the people of God (Hebrews 4:8-9).

• The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant" (Leviticus 24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Corinthians 3:11-13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).

• The fire for Israel's sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a "perpetual" until -- Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins.
Hell. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Leviticus 6:12-13, Hebrews 8:6-13).

• God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah "forever" until--the Lord delivers him from the large fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6-10; Jonah 1:17); Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jeremiah 25:27) until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of Egypt" (Ezekiel 29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam" (Jeremiah 49:39).

• "Moab is destroyed" (Jeremiah 48:4, Jeremiah 48:42) until--the Lord "will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jeremiah 48:47).

• Israel's judgment lasts "forever" until -- the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isaiah 32:13-15).

• The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bond slave was to serve his master "forever" (Exodus 21:6), until -- his death.

• “Eternal” (Greek aionia, αιονια) is sometimes used of a limited (not endless) period of time. But the most common use is illustrated in 2 Corinthians 4:18 where it is contrasted with “temporal” and in Philemon 1:15 where it is contrasted with “for a while.”

Here is the source for list above for the Scriptural examples used on the word "forever":
http://www.apttoteach.org/attjom/index.php

Bible Highlighter · Mar 22, 2018

Ronald said:
I said that off the cuff, it was jab at them because I know they are out there. I don't know what everyone believes.

I understand. I started the thread because I think there is important truths that can be learned by realizing that Solomon is saved.

Anyways, may God bless you today.

Ronald · Mar 22, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Solomon is not an example of how we can live as we please. Solomon is an example of how not to live. However, he is also an example of God's grace, as well. For Solomon went prodigal ....

...but he came back. The verses I posted in the OP prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Solomon was saved in the end.

Again, do not misunderstand me. I do not believe in Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved gospel or belief. I argue heavily against those kinds of beliefs. For we have to live holy if we are going to make it (Hebrews 12:14). But we also are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace. Solomon is proof of that. So we should look at Solomon's life as an example of how not to live, but we should also realize that God's mercy and grace is what truly saves us in the end.

I believe the following verse sums up Solomon's end.

I received a little different message from Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. Wisdom. God asked Solomon what he wanted. He said he wanted wisdom to rule his people. In order to gain wisdom, he had to go through ALL life's experiences in all areas to the fullest. At the end if his journey, he realized everything under the sun is vanity of vanities and chasing after the wind WITHOUT GOD. We learn that many paths are futile and the only one is to follow Him. That was some bucket list though.

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