Was Solomon saved?

[shturt678s]

OK. What is the OT understanding of repentance as compared to today?

Squeezing through that narrow gate, and how the O.T. viewed "repentance". Both in the Old and New Testaments "repentance" the law worked repentance, however not all the time in the Old did it state one was "repentant". In the sense of "repentance" was there such as "turning back to the Lord" sort of thing is the best way I can poorly describe it off the top; however I did find my old old note regarding Solomon:

If the Preacher (Koheleth) in Ecclesiaste is traceable to Solomon as far as the leading thoghts are concerned, we should find in the fact an evidence of Solomon's conversion, or at least proof that at the close of his life Solomon discovered the vanity of all earthly possessions and aims, and declared the fear of God to be the onoy abiding good, with which a man can stand before the judgment of God. This is what I mean by the Old not saying that one repented, however the sense is definitely there. I, myself, do believe Solomon was the Preacher.

Thank you, thanks to you, revisited this excellent ground,

Old Jack

 

[shturt678s]

At what point do you believe that someone loses their salvation?

As soon as one looses their "faith" effected through "repentance," ie, like those easy ones. Thank you again my friend.

Old Jack

 

[Edial]

Squeezing through that narrow gate, and how the O.T. viewed "repentance". Both in the Old and New Testaments "repentance" the law worked repentance, however not all the time in the Old did it state one was "repentant". In the sense of "repentance" was there such as "turning back to the Lord" sort of thing is the best way I can poorly describe it off the top; however I did find my old old note regarding Solomon:

If the Preacher (Koheleth) in Ecclesiaste is traceable to Solomon as far as the leading thoghts are concerned, we should find in the fact an evidence of Solomon's conversion, or at least proof that at the close of his life Solomon discovered the vanity of all earthly possessions and aims, and declared the fear of God to be the onoy abiding good, with which a man can stand before the judgment of God. This is what I mean by the Old not saying that one repented, however the sense is definitely there. I, myself, do believe Solomon was the Preacher.

Thank you, thanks to you, revisited this excellent ground,

Old Jack

Yes, I believe Solomon was the Preacher.
He understood that the fear of God is the only remaining thing because He is the Judge who knows everything.
He certainly recognized the Sovereignty of God.
But it seems he just stopped here.

Oh, I could be wrong.
I am not pushing my view, just discussing.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Hammster]

As soon as one looses their "faith" effected through "repentance," ie, like those easy ones. Thank you again my friend.

Old Jack

Thanks. But the question was addressed to Oz for a specific reason.

 

[shturt678s]

Yes, I believe Solomon was the Preacher.
He understood that the fear of God is the only remaining thing because He is the Judge who knows everything.
He certainly recognized the Sovereignty of God.
But it seems he just stopped here.

Oh, I could be wrong.
I am not pushing my view, just discussing.

Thanks,
Ed

I always like to be in error and Christ be true plus be one of the very few heartfully refutable and correctable posters on CF, however I have always apprreciated the ending at Eccles.12:13, ie, good place to stop.

Obviously you care about the Cross more than the 1.5 hours on Sunday.

Old Jack 'pulling' with you

 

[OzSpen]

Because you believe it. And so I'm wondering at what point it happens, and how it relates to Solomon.

I've told you that before in other threads, so why are you asking again? It's not because you lack knowledge of my view.

 

[OzSpen]

As soon as one looses their "faith" effected through "repentance," ie, like those easy ones. Thank you again my friend.

Old Jack

Old Jack,

Do you know the difference between 'loose' and 'lose'?

 

[OzSpen]

Thanks. But the question was addressed to Oz for a specific reason.

So what was the reason?

 

[Hammster]

I've told you that before in other threads, so why are you asking again? It's not because you lack knowledge of my view.

Could you please answer the question? It's pertinent to this thread, and it's more than just you and I discussing this.

 

[Hammster]

So what was the reason?

Because you believe it. And so I'm wondering at what point it happens, and how it relates to Solomon.

 

[OzSpen]

Because you believe it. And so I'm wondering at what point it happens, and how it relates to Solomon.

If you are wanting to argue back and forth about your Calvinistic view vs my Reformed Arminian understanding of eternal security and how that applies to Solomon, I'm not interested.

So far in this eternal security debate, I've not seen any movement either way. I'm not interested in perpetrating nastiness between opposing sides.

 

[Hammster]

If you are wanting to argue back and forth about your Calvinistic view vs my Reformed Arminian understanding of eternal security and how that applies to Solomon, I'm not interested.

So far in this eternal security debate, I've not seen any movement either way. I'm not interested in perpetrating nastiness between opposing sides.

I'm not interested in discussing eternal security. But I would like an answer to my question.

 

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

In light of IISam.7:12-15 & IKi.11:9 comparing commentaries drawing my own conclusion, ie, I have that God hadn't fully removed God's grace from Solomon.

Old Jack

I am going to agree that Solomon was saved.

He certainly did much evil though.

 

[shturt678s]

Old Jack,

Do you know the difference between 'loose' and 'lose'?

Have my back to the wall on this one, ie, good job! I even proof read before posting, ie, processing area of my limited brain not processing again. Happening more often as each decade just slides right on by, ie, "lose it" or "loose it"? Give me another chance at processing.

Old Jack, and thank you again!

btw trying to 'lose' myself on these threads

Always appreciate you and others on these threads of course. without sarcasm nor rhetoric this time

 

[OzSpen]

I'm not interested in discussing eternal security. But I would like an answer to my question.

So are you wanting to dissociate eternal security from losing one's salvation?

 

[Hammster]

So are you wanting to dissociate eternal security from losing one's salvation?

I'm actually hoping you'll answer my question. Then we can move on.

 

[OzSpen]

Jack,

I love your gentle, humble spirit displayed in your responses. May the Lord bless and encourage you today.

Sadly, a spell checker may not pick up loose from lose as both are legitimate words.

So in reading one of your earlier comments, did I gain the impression that it is your view that a person can lose his/her salvation? Was that because of apostasy or for some other reason?

The Brissy bloke from Down Under
Oz

Have my back to the wall on this one, ie, good job! I even proof read before posting, ie, processing area of my limited brain not processing again. Happening more often as each decade just slides right on by, ie, "lose it" or "loose it"? Give me another chance at processing.

Old Jack, and thank you again!

btw trying to 'lose' myself on these threads

Always appreciate you and others on these threads of course. without sarcasm nor rhetoric this time

 

[OzSpen]

I'm actually hoping you'll answer my question. Then we can move on.

I will not engage in a scrap between us. And if you want to goad me like this, I'll not reply to you.

 

[Hammster]

I will not engage in a scrap between us. And if you want to goad me like this, I'll not reply to you.

It's not a scrap. I asked a question that's pertinent to this thread. You've not answered.

 

[OzSpen]

It's not a scrap. I asked a question that's pertinent to this thread. You've not answered.

The reason given in Hebrews 6:4-6 for losing salvation ('falling away' from the faith) is apostasy. The Greek word used confirms this: parapesontas, aorist participle of parapipto, which Arndt & Gingrich's Greek lexicon gives the meaning as “fall away, commit apostasy” (1957:626). It is a point action (aorist tense) of committing the act of apostasy. This meaning is affirmed by Thayer's Greek lexicon: “to fall away (from the true faith)” (1962:485).

And, based on this passage from Heb 6:4-6, it is impossible for those who commit apostasy to be restored to repentance.

What's the evidence that Solomon committed apostasy?