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Not trying to argue but it would seem very, very silly for me to believe the person who authored half the Psalms Ana God said followed after His own heart was not saved.Presently 49.1% have voted yes. I voted no.
Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?
What is your interpretation on Romans 7:14-24?
Not trying to argue but it would seem very, very silly for me to believe the person who authored half the Psalms Ana God said followed after His own heart was not saved.
I wasn’t the one being ask but yes I definitely believe that. Matter of fact your theological view on soteriology stems from free will theology which holds to man centered works salvation. Especially those who teach the false doctrine that a child of God can lose eternal life in ChristLet me give you an example. Do you believe I hold to Man Directed Works Salvationism?
Does - any - sin cause loss of salvation:
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If that's what 1 John 1:9 teaches, then how can you say certain sins do not cause loss of salvation?
Are you giving people a licence to sin by saying certain sins do not cause loss of salvation?
If people believe some sins don't cause loss of salvation, then people may feel free not to confess them for forgiveness as per 1 John 1:9 & die in their sins.
1 John 1:9 doesn't speak of confessing only big sins.
BTW, what exactly does it mean to confess a sin? Merely acknowledging to oneself mentally that a sin was a sin?
Such a life would be one of unbelief.The warning is that a lifestyle of habitual sin is the evidence of unrepentance which equates to no forgiveness and no eternal life. I'm sure that is easy enough for you to understand. Do you agree?
Based on Hebrews 3, 6, and 10 applied to your definition of “saved” you can only be saved once and if lost never get it back.I am not saying David was forever condemned. I said he was unsaved when he committed his sins of adultery and murder and then when he repented of his sins in Psalms 51, he then became saved again or forgiven. Why else would a saved or forgiven man seek after forgiveness and or desire for salvation back? David lost his salvation temporarily when he was in his sins of adultery and murder. Before his major crimes (his grievous sins) he was also saved.
Yes and what has not been discussed is our justification is based on the righteousness of God through and in Jesus Christ.The blood of jesus provides immediate and full justification to us when we first believed and received Jesus as Lord, but it also keeps on continually cleansing us as in sanctification when we confess our done sins to God!
It does not mean, if you say, "I am sinless by Christ Jesus who has brought me freedom from sin" that you are lying.
You said:If that second were true then Romans 6 would make no sense,
You said:nor would John's own statement in this letter, "Whatsoever is born of God does not sin."
You said:Christ died for us while we were yet sinners.
Based on Hebrews 3, 6, and 10 applied to your definition of “saved” you can only be saved once and if lost never get it back.
Yet how one loses Justification by faith in Christ is the question. Answer? Unbelief.
Then according to this, Peter would not be saved as he denied Jesus three times in one day before the rooster crowed beginning the next day.Hebrews 6:4-6 is talking about denying Jesus because Hebrews 6:1 talks about the foundation of repentance and of faith towards God (Which is when we first accept Christ). To undo the faith, you have to renounce it. Jesus says if you deny me, I will deny you.
Repentance is a requirement, not just doing them and confessing them to feel free to do them again and again.The blood of jesus provides immediate and full justification to us when we first believed and received Jesus as Lord, but it also keeps on continually cleansing us as in sanctification when we confess our done sins to God!
That is pretty much what Jason's theology is saying.Then according to this, Peter would not be saved as he denied Jesus three times in one day before the rooster crowed beginning the next day.
HE was not saying Peter is the rock but that fact that He is the Christ. Upon the fact that Jesus is the Christ will He, JEsus, build his church. The church is not built upon a man and when Jesus died, James was the head of the church, not Peter.But Jesus also said about Peter, “You are the rock upon which I will build my church”.
Jesus said if we or Peter deny him before men, He, Jesus, will deny us or Peter before the Father. There is no excuse to do so if you think might lose some benefit (like living) if you do so. Peter did not believe enough at that point.Peter was denying Christ because they would have killed him, not because he lost His faith.
Jesus told the story of the man forgiven of his debth, really forgiven, who went out and demanded his rights from a man who owed him. You seem to think that all moments are in the same time. That is, a man can repent and be forgiven and later turn to the pleasures of sin or escape the costs of being a disciple of Christ. So he was repentance and changed his mind. He was forgiven and changed his mind. He had eternal life but decided this life's pleasure was better for him. It happens as Jesus said it would. Most people know that what a man does when he is 20 is not how he lives when he is 50, for better or worse. Evidence of habitual sin is evidence that a man has NOW DECIDED not to continue walking in the faith, not that he never was repentant nor forgiven. There is such a thing a past, present and future and they are not all wrapped into one.The warning is that a lifestyle of habitual sin is the evidence of unrepentance which equates to no forgiveness and no eternal life. I'm sure that is easy enough for you to understand. Do you agree?
This is going to be hard to believe but David loved the OT law. He said it was perfect rejoicing the heart. He said it kept wise the simple. He loved that law. He was under the OT and to some degree so are we. The law to love GOd is the OT Law Covenant that is continued into the new. I can name lots of OT law that we are under like do not murder and do not steal. Do you see what I mean?Man after God's own heart...
Was David under the OT Law Covenant, and/or if he was, was he judged by it, (in the end) or not...?
God Bless!
1. It does not matter why you say untruths about me. 2. You need to realize that you do not understand my position at all. You are a black and white binary thinker and your questions are like, "have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?" Other possiblities you do not consider.It's because you have been defending that view that David was not unsaved when he committed his sins of adultery and murder.
Since Jesus himself taught truth and many learned men did not get it, seems like particular truths are not easily accepted. Bricks don't help.God does not have to hit us over the head with bricks to get our attention about a particular truth.
This is your opinion. God, Himself, did not say that to David when speaking to him directly about the event. So that is your judgment but God did not have your opinion on the whole of the event.We know from the testimony of Scripture that David was not saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder because 1 John 3:15 (also inspired Scripture) says that NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Was David a murderer? Yes, or no? Do you believe 1 John 3:15 when it says NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them? This means ALL murderers - BTW (For the words "no murderer" implies all murderers). This would include King David until he repented of his sins (of course).
This is really silly. God cannot even get through to believers. But he was speaking to David and He did not have your view.God does not say every day to an unbeliever they are not saved to their face so as to get them to repent.
No, you are editing the Bible according to your extremely judgemental position. You ignore completely what God himself had to say about the matter. And I am not shooting you. I am pointing out, as do others, that what you think the BIble is saying is highly editing as you leave out the bits you do not like. You want to tell us what GOd thought of David and ignore what the prophet said GOd thought of the man. THis is not what the Bible says but what you say. Those two are not the same thing.I didn't write the Bible. So please do not shoot the messenger. I am just relaying to you what the Bible says plainly. If you disagree, please stick with Scripture instead of ad hominems.
Maybe He speak to you to read the whole book.In any event, may the Lord's goodness be upon you today.
Can one be saved while in the acts of premeditated adultery & murder according to the Scriptures such as:
1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1 Cor.6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
that makes no sense that you say Peter didn’t have faith enough at that point as that was right before the crucificxion.That is pretty much what Jason's theology is saying.
HE was not saying Peter is the rock but that fact that He is the Christ. Upon the fact that Jesus is the Christ will He, JEsus, build his church. The church is not built upon a man and when Jesus died, James was the head of the church, not Peter.
Jesus said if we or Peter deny him before men, He, Jesus, will deny us or Peter before the Father. There is no excuse to do so if you think might lose some benefit (like living) if you do so. Peter did not believe enough at that point.
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