Was Ellen White Really a False Prophet--2?

[djconklin]

The SDA church lifts up the Bible; we do NOT put it down in any shape, manner, or form.

Not in the Adventist churches I was a part of.

Name them; I want to go and see for myself.

 

[djconklin]

One member asked the pastor "why don't we just study a book of the bible like Romans?

That's what the Sabbath School and sermons should be on. I started a series at my home town church.

 

[djconklin]

I said that the Holy Spirit is the seal of God. She asked where do you get that idea becasue the Sabbath is the seal of God.

Two different seals. That's why we, sometimes jokingly and sometimes in all seriousness, call Sabbath School a pooling of ignorance.

 

[djconklin]

Of course you dont because from your prophet said, "Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light" (Review and Herald, January 20, 1903).

Ellen G. White did not call herself a prophet and neither should anyone else.

 

[Eila]

Ellen G. White did not call herself a prophet and neither should anyone else.

True, she called herself more than a prophet.

 

[woobadooba]

True, she called herself more than a prophet.

And what if she was? Why would you be so upset about that?

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by djconklin
Ellen G. White did not call herself a prophet and neither should anyone else.

True, she called herself more than a prophet.

Actually, what she said was:

"My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there." (Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 36, 1906)

During the discourse [at Battle Creek, October 2, 1904], I said that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Some were surprised at this statement, and as much is being said in regard to it, I will make an explanation. Others have called me a prophetess, but I have never assumed that title. I have not felt that it was my duty thus to designate myself. Those who boldly assume that they are prophets in this our day are often a reproach to the cause of Christ.--Letter 55, 1905.

Some people have a naive view of the work of a prophet, that's why she never called herself a prophet.

 

[Eila]

Actually, what she said was:

"My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there." (Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 36, 1906)

During the discourse [at Battle Creek, October 2, 1904], I said that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Some were surprised at this statement, and as much is being said in regard to it, I will make an explanation. Others have called me a prophetess, but I have never assumed that title. I have not felt that it was my duty thus to designate myself. Those who boldly assume that they are prophets in this our day are often a reproach to the cause of Christ.--Letter 55, 1905.

Some people have a naive view of the work of a prophet, that's why she never called herself a prophet.

Yes, she didn't want to be called a prophet. She actually thought her role was more than a prophet.

Early in my youth I was asked several times, Are you a prophet? I have ever responded, I am the Lord's messenger. I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title. My Saviour declared me to be his messenger. 'Your work,' he instructed me, 'is to bear my word. ... It is not you that speaketh: it is the Lord that giveth the messages of warning and reproof. Never deviate from the truth under any circumstances . Give the light I shall give you. The messages for these last days shall be written in books, and shall stand immortalized, to testify against those who have once rejoiced in the light, but who have been led to give it up because of the seductive influences of evil.' Why have I not claimed to be a prophet?--Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ; and because my work includes much more than the word 'prophet' signifies." (Review and Herald, July 26, 1907)

From Selected Messages Volume 1

"The Work of a Prophet and More

During the discourse, I said that I did not claim to be a prophetess. Some were surprised at this statement, and as
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much is being said in regard to it, I will make an explanation. Others have called me a prophetess, but I have never assumed that title. I have not felt that it was my duty thus to designate myself. Those who boldly assume that they are prophets in this our day are often a reproach to the cause of Christ. {1SM 35.6} My work includes much more than this name signifies. I regard myself as a messenger, entrusted by the Lord with messages for His people.--Letter 55, 1905. {1SM 36.1}

I am now instructed that I am not to be hindered in my work by those who engage in suppositions regarding its nature, whose minds are struggling with so many intricate problems connected with the supposed work of a prophet. My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there. It embraces much more than the minds of those who have been sowing the seeds of unbelief can comprehend.--Letter 244, 1906. (Addressed to elders of Battle Creek church.) {1SM 36.2}"

 

[Sophia7]

Here is one more quote:

To claim to be a prophetess is something that I have never done. If others call me by that name, I have no controversy with them. But my work has covered so many lines that I can not call myself other than a messenger sent to bear a message from the Lord to his people, and to take up work in any line that he points out. {RH, July 26, 1906 par. 18}​

 

[woobadooba]

Here is one more quote:

To claim to be a prophetess is something that I have never done. If others call me by that name, I have no controversy with them. But my work has covered so many lines that I can not call myself other than a messenger sent to bear a message from the Lord to his people, and to take up work in any line that he points out. {RH, July 26, 1906 par. 18}​

And you have a problem with this? Why?

 

[djconklin]

Here is one more quote:

To claim to be a prophetess is something that I have never done. If others call me by that name, I have no controversy with them. But my work has covered so many lines that I can not call myself other than a messenger sent to bear a message from the Lord to his people, and to take up work in any line that he points out. {RH, July 26, 1906 par. 18}​

And if I had been there I would have told her "No." But, I now think this is a testing point for some people. God allows people to "think" for themselves vs trusting in Him. And some "think" they know it all and they know better than God.

 

[Eila]

And if I had been there I would have told her "No." But, I now think this is a testing point for some people. God allows people to "think" for themselves vs trusting in Him. And some "think" they know it all and they know better than God.

You are saying that those who "think" for themselves do not believe in EGW? How is trusting in Him related to EGW at all? Does one need to accept EGW to trust in God?

 

[djconklin]

You are saying that those who "think" for themselves do not believe in EGW?

That the word "think" was in quotes indicates that it was not to be taken literally. They think they think when they are not doing so.

Does one need to accept EGW to trust in God?

The other way around. If you trust God then you will accept Ellen White. Truth has a certain "ring" to it that error will never have.

 

[Eila]

The other way around. If you trust God then you will accept Ellen White. Truth has a certain "ring" to it that error will never have.

Ellen White is error-free?

 

[Sophia7]

And you have a problem with this? Why?

I have a problem with the fact that some people say that according to her, she shouldn't be called a prophet. Although she didn't use the term herself, she had "no controversy" with those who did.

 

[woobadooba]

I have a problem with the fact that some people say that according to her, she shouldn't be called a prophet. Although she didn't use the term herself, she had "no controversy" with those who did.

Do you believe she was a true prophet of God? If not, why?

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by djconklin
The other way around. If you trust God then you will accept Ellen White. Truth has a certain "ring" to it that error will never have.

Ellen White is error-free?

1) I was speaking of the principle that motivated the messenger/messages. To compare: those who claim that Ellen White was a plagiarist and have not yet done the work that Dr. Veltman pointed out in 1988 that needed to be done are in error. They started in and are motivated by error.

2) In answer to your question: no more and no less than Nathan the OT prophet when he goofed.

3) Implicit in this type of question is that when one has been inspired one can never be a mere mortal and make mistakes again. This is a false and unbiblical belief.

 

[Eila]

1) I was speaking of the principle that motivated the messenger/messages. To compare: those who claim that Ellen White was a plagiarist and have not yet done the work that Dr. Veltman pointed out in 1988 that needed to be done are in error. They started in and are motivated by error.

2) In answer to your question: no more and no less than Nathan the OT prophet when he goofed.

3) Implicit in this type of question is that when one has been inspired one can never be a mere mortal and make mistakes again. This is a false and unbiblical belief.

A prophet can make mistakes, but not when saying "I was shown", "I saw", "My accompanying angel showed me", "thus saith the Lord", etc.

Where did Nathan the prophet goof when prophesying?

 

[woobadooba]

A prophet can make mistakes, but not when saying "I was shown", "I saw", "My accompanying angel showed me", "thus saith the Lord", etc.

Where did Nathan the prophet goof when prophesying?

"That the king said unto Nathan the prophet, See now, I dwell in an house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains. And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that is in thine heart; for the LORD is with thee." (2Sa 7:2-3)

The implication here is that Nathan assured David that he had the Lord's approval to do something that the Lord really didn't approve of.

Now had this been Ellen White, you would use this as an excuse to denounce her prophetic gift, but because it is Nathan it is OK?

I don't think you or the other critics are approaching the issue with true integrity.

 

[Eila]

"That the king said unto Nathan the prophet, See now, I dwell in an house of cedar, but the ark of God dwelleth within curtains. And Nathan said to the king, Go, do all that is in thine heart; for the LORD is with thee." (2Sa 7:2-3)

The implication here is that Nathan assured David that he had the Lord's approval to do something that the Lord really didn't approve of.

Now had this been Ellen White, you would use this as an excuse to denounce her prophetic gift, but because it is Nathan it is OK?

I don't think you or the other critics are approaching the issue with true integrity.

2 points to consider - Nathan was not prophesying when he said that.

The correction was given by God that same night and Nathan relayed the correction as a "thus says the Lord".

Were EGW's errors only errors on things where she was not relaying "I was shown", "I saw", "I have been shown", "My accompany angel showed me"? If so, I could see the comparison. And were her errors corrected by God with a "thus says the Lord"?