Was Ellen White a true or false prophet?

DamianWarS said:

They may be but what about the teachings that cannot be biblically supported? Some systems in the SDA church hinge on dividing up law to give them preferential treatment. Let's table the discussion about which laws you think are important, and focus on the biblical support to divide up law like this.

Is this not an Ellen White teaching? Where is the biblical support to treat law this way? If no such support is there these systems are based on false teachings and in a vacuum to those systems would be supported by a false teacher.

Now Ellen White may have done this in ignorance and with the best intentions to serve the chruch and Christ but good motivations don't magic the support in the bible. It's still not there. Best case it was done in ignorance but then we have to look at all that she said with an extra layer of human layer that she has demonstrated and it's hard in the end to know what of God and what's humans error.

Perhaps instead of a prophet we can say she was an imperfect Christian that had moments of the gift of prophecy but not always operating in that office and human ambition muddied the message.

Muhammad was an excellent leader driven by the right motivates and with Christian influence. You might even say in the begining he was a nestorian Christian, but a switch happened from a discovery pre-Christian leader to a war mongering and a hate for Jews and Christians. He become corrupted and his message was not under divine influence. White perhaps has some genuine prophecies but there may have been a turning point where her message become to muddied with human influence, she seems like a genuine Christian but her ideas probably get too much attention.

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Leaf473 said:

Hello Gary, my brother

Just dealing with that question specifically, we may wish to note that the "latter-day Saints" say the same thing about Joseph Smith. I'm not saying that White and Smith were both sent by God, or that neither were. I'm just saying that the situation of the person who can barely read and write who goes on to write something amazing has happened before.

The explanation that I use is that one person in every 10 million or so has a genius gift which may go unrecognized.

Similar to the kind of gift Mozart had. How could anyone at the age of maybe six or eight sit down at a keyboard and improvise a fugue out of thin air? It's impossible... well, except for that one in 10 million.

Peace be with you, my friend!

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RileyG said:

I believe Ellen White was a false prophet.

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RileyG said:

She had a head injury which I think greatly impacted her thinking IMHO.

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DamianWarS said:

We can't just gloss over this as "agree to disagree" these are doctrinal issues and are relavant to the authenticity of Ellen White's teaching.

The bible does not segment law so that we may give law preferential treatment. Christ does not segment law and speaks of it uniformly, without descrimination

Mat 5:18-19
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Christ is quite clear that law remains the same, every single stroke, with no special divisions and segments. You can't have it both ways and use this to defend a segmented law while not teach or keep all of it. It's all or nothing, not "ala carte"

This is an important issue because anyone who teaches we should divide law up so we may give it preferencial treatment is in direct conflict with Christ's words and is a false teaching. They can be generous, they can have little education, they can be renowned over the world, but this doesn't change the false teaching. The bible plainly and explicitly does not teach this.



"I have been shown that children who practice self-indulgence ... If the practice is continued ... by numerous pains in the system and various diseases such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors" source

She thought touching yourself caused cancer too (and a pile of other things). touching yourself doesn't cause cancer (or the pile of other things she claimed). I'm in a position where I'm unable to trust what Ellen White said either spoken or written because of her reputation for the nonsense. There's just too many weeds to sort out and it tends to tarnish the major points.

It's my opinon Ellen White had a lot to say without a lot of discernment and has had hits and misses. I think over zealous times and over zealous people gave her a platform to be over zealous and she delivered. Perhaps head injury effected her frontal lope and caused her to respond without a filter which was interpreted as prophetic or power from the spirit.

She may have had some authentic moments in prophecy, I really can't say, but I fail to see what the fruit of these prophecies are. So she said cancer is caused by infections agents, this wasn't verified until the 70s but it certainly wasn't a new conversation in the 70s and the conversation was already well along. And that's where due diligence is missing because telling me who proved it doesn't mean a whole lot, why not do the research and tell me when this idea started to get traction in the scientific community.

But what is the goal behind such prophecies? If the goal is to prove she is the real deal so you better listen to her teaching then since the teaching is false anything that leads us to the teaching is also false. To me this all eventually boils down where does this lead me to? And does that goal require subscribing to Adventist teaching? Because if it does then the prophecies are self serving to fit an Adventist agenda. They should be pointing to the glory of God not the glory of a banner we're waving.

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Bob S said:

Gary, are you aware that there is no such thing as a tithing requirement in the new covenant? Are you aware that in the old covenant only the ones who raised livestock and or produce had to pay tithe? Jesus and the disciples would not have been tithe payers. Yet Ellen grasped on to the tithing system that is used by the SDA church immediately when approached. Then she went on to have "visions" that reprimanded those who didn't p[ay up, telling them they would lose their eternal inheritance. She took God's plan for Israel and made it into a requirement for all members, then telling them if they didn't they would go to Hell. This was/is not Biblical and it is Ellen that went to Hell for lying to her flock.

Yes, Ellen wrote many flowering books and articles. That, in its self, does not make on a prophet. Prophets do not make blatant mistakes like the one in Genesis where she wrote that the Tower of Babel was built to keep safe if God ever created another flood. That is opposed to what scripture tells us and God said He would never flood the world again. Just another of the many things she wrote that were not true.

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Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

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Leaf473 said:

I wasn't talking about the science part, I was talking specifically about the situation of someone who can barely read and write who then writes some literature that has a large impact.

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Bob S said:

No, no, no Gary, it is because Ellen disagrees with the Bible. I could care less. I just wanted you to know the real truth. but you seem to be letting it go in one ear and out the other, Too bad.

It is not for me to reason why, it is what the Bible is telling us. The Bible was not asking us a question, it is giving us a answer. Ellen refused to use the Bible answer and make up an answer of her own.

What do you mean "poor reasoning". You are the one who will not reason. SDAs have certainly done a job on you.

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Leaf473 said:

I don't want to call her a false prophet, and I didn't.

That would probably be against CF rules.

"Examples of inflammatory words/phrases... false prophet..."

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Edit: I did want to observe that when a person with little ability to read and write goes on to write literature that has a big impact, it doesn't necessarily follow that the person was given the message contained in the literature by God.

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