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Was Adam the FIRST Food Producer??? GENERATIONS ???

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by joshua 1 9, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes there is evidence for slow gradual change over long periods of time. None of that changes the fact that Adam was a real person that lived in a real Garden in Eden around 6,000 years ago. It could have taken God millions or even billions of years to create Adam. In the Bible we have a point in time when God said what He was going to do and we have a point in time when God looked to see what HE had done. This is when the tree is mature and produces fruit.

    I personally am a dispensationalist. Because that gives us the point in time when the Church first appears on the day of Pentecost when Peter was preaching in the Upper room in 29 AD. We know that this age or era began around 12,980 years ago. In fact we have a nano-diamond comet to mark the beginning of the age or era that we live in. Just like Neil Degrasse talks about a comet that will mark the end of this age or era that we live in. I am not saying the comets caused anything. They are just a marker. So for me a day in Genesis is 1,000 years. Also I understand the GAP theory and I have no problem with Gerald Schroeder understanding of OEC as his hypotheses is very interesting. For him each day is half as long as the day before and this is what is needed for OEC to work with the Bible. I have no problem with YEC if you want to say everything began 6,000 years ago. Because YEC says nothing about what God was doing or what happened before that point in time.
    "Nanodiamond" Find Supports Comet Extinction Theory
     
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  2. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Yahweh Saying so is actually the most reliable evidence in existence.
    Yahweh has NEVER been shown to be wrong,
    not about the FLOOD WORLD WIDE,
    the young earth,
    nor about Adam and Havah.

    Corrupt men have challenged Yahweh OFTEN, and always lose.
     
  3. mmksparbud

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    Gen 4:20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
    Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
    Gen 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

    Living like animals???----Hardly. Adam and Eve and all the pre-flood people had incredible IQ's--they used their brains, talents and developed them for hundreds of years. A man today can do fantastic things and accomplish a great deal in 50-60 years---to develop his abilities for hundreds of years would be fantastic. These people woul have been the equivalent of being total savants----with no idiot part.
    A savant can memorize whole phone books, play music without any training, paint great works of art without any training. Adam and Eve and their descendants most certainly did not live like animals.
     
  4. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    We can go over this as may times as you want to go over it until you finally understand. IN Science we have what they call "evidence". Often this is natural evidence like the stones that Jesus talks about in Luke 19:40 "I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out." Also we have artifacts that we work with. God gives us this evidence for a reason. God talks to us through this evidence that He has provided for us and Science to study. Jesus Himself said: "the stones will cry out". I would listen to their story and not turn a deaf ear to them. In science they call this geology. We also have archaeology where we find a lot of artifacts that we can use to confirm how accurate and true the Bible is. For example we read about Jericho in the Bible. We read about the battle of Joshua and we read about the wall around the city of Jericho that came tumbling down when Joshua fought the battle at Jericho. Today we can go to the ancient city of Jericho and see where the archaeologists have found the wall of Jericho that we read about in the Bible. God preserved this evidence for us. HE would not allow that wall to be used by people that wanted to build themselves a home to live in. The stones stayed right were they fell to this day as a testimony that the Bible is accurate and true. So the skeptics and scoffers would not have a leg to stand on. Because there is plenty of physical evidence provided by God to give us an abundance of evidence that the Bible is true.
     
  5. SkyWriting

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    Sorry. I meant that humans lived as animals until Adam and Eve were given the breath of life. The generations following Adam had the benefits of Adam's fellowship with God as well as the eventual death that comes with sin entering the world.
     
  6. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Exodus 35:30-36
    Then Moses said to the sons of Israel, "See, the LORD has called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah. "And He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in all craftsmanship; to make designs for working in gold and in silver and in bronze, read more.
    and in the cutting of stones for settings and in the carving of wood, so as to perform in every inventive work. "He also has put in his heart to teach, both he and Oholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan. "He has filled them with skill to perform every work of an engraver and of a designer and of an embroiderer, in blue and in purple and in scarlet material, and in fine linen, and of a weaver, as performers of every work and makers of designs. "Now Bezalel and Oholiab, and every skillful person in whom the LORD has put skill and understanding to know how to perform all the work in the construction of the sanctuary, shall perform in accordance with all that the LORD has commanded."
     
  7. mmksparbud

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    There were no humans before Adam and Eve--not according to the bible and that is what I believe in.
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    You mean the ancient earth of course. Unless you think scripture is lying to you?

    Deuteronomy 33:15 with the choicest gifts of the ancient mountains and
    the fruitfulness of the everlasting hills; ...

    Habakkuk 3:6 He stood, and shook the earth; he looked, and made ... looked and startled the nations. Yes, the perpetual mountains were shattered, The ancient hills collapsed. His ways are everlasting. ...

    Genesis 49:26 Your father's blessings are greater than the blessings of the ancient mountains, reaching ...the blessings of my parents, up to the bounties of the everlasting hills. ...

    Psalm 76:4 You are radiant with light, more majestic than the ancient mountains. ...
    Thou enlightenest wonderfully from the everlasting hills. ...
     
  9. mmksparbud

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    Yes--and these were post flood peoples. Adam and Eve and their descendants were created with perfect bodied and brains and would have knowledge that far surpassed todays. Unfortunately, great knowledge does not mean great wisdom and they used their abilities for evil and violence.
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    They were the first humans to have the breath of life and soul that would die.
    So they were the first ones made in the image of God.
    It is natural to consider them first, since the Spirit is all God
    is concerned about having everlasting life, not the animals.
     
  11. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Amen.
    Same today worldwide with much worse knowledge, much lower abilities, and no wisdom, no fear of God, and no knowledge of HIm, and no SPIRITUAL LIFE from Him in most places,
    except as is His Good Pleasure for those HE HIMSELF CALLED, CHOSE and SET APART for HIMSELF.
     
  12. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Yes, That is what YHWH Says also,
    That is what YHWH knows and believes is TRUE.
     
  13. Zackuth

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    Adam was the first human food producer; God was the first to produce food.
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Yes, this is known long ago- YHWH (GOD) calls it false knowledge, opposed to HIM.
     
  15. SkyWriting

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    There were no earlier humans in the image of God with the Breath of Life.
    No no human animals before Adam and Eve were Alive.
     
  16. mmksparbud

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    You are free to believe in whatever you want. The bible clearly states that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman---period. God had crested angels before man, and probably other creations, but they were the first humans, created in His image. No other humans came before them----that is what the name Adam means---human.

    26 and~he~will~SAY(Verb) {וַיֹּאמֶר / wai'yo'mer} Elohiym {אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him} we~will~DO(Verb) {נַעֲשֶׂה / na'a'seh} HUMAN {אָדָם / a'dam} in~IMAGE~us {בְּצַלְמֵנוּ / bê'tsal'mey'nu} like~LIKENESS~us {כִּדְמוּתֵנוּ / kid'mu'tey'nu} and~he~did~RULE(Verb) {וְיִרְדּוּ / wê'yir'du} in~FISH {בִדְגַת / vid'gat} the~SEA {הַיָּם / hai'yam} and~in~FLYER {וּבְעוֹף / uv'oph} the~SKY~s2 {הַשָּׁמַיִם / ha'sha'ma'yim} and~in~the~BEAST {וּבַבְּהֵמָה / u'va'be'hey'mah} and~in~ALL {וּבְכָל / uv'khol} the~LAND {הָאָרֶץ / ha'a'rets} and~in~ALL {וּבְכָל / uv'khol} the~TREADER {הָרֶמֶשׂ / ha're'mes} the~TREAD(Verb)~ing(ms) {הָרֹמֵשׂ / ha'ro'meys} UPON {עַל / al} the~LAND {הָאָרֶץ / ha'a'rets}

    and Elohiym said, we will make a human in our image, like our likeness, and he will rule in the fish of the sea and in the flyers of the skies, and in the beast, and in all the land, and in all the treaders treading upon the land
    HUMAN: Of, relating to, or characteristic of man. The first man. All of mankind as the descendants of the first man. (Derived from a root meaning "blood" and "of reddish color.") Hebrew: אדם a-dam-masc. Strong's: #0120

    We were created from reddish dust.
     
  17. SkyWriting

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    Cain is mentioning other people outside his parents. People he might have children with for example.
     
  18. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Actual, as Ephesians says, slaves up the prince of the power of the air - NOT free to think what they want, even though everyone 'thinks' they are free - they are subjects of the prince of the power of the air (the devil). (unless and until they are purchased by the blood - the only way to true freedom )
     
  19. mmksparbud

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    Of course----The bible does not say that Cain and Able were the first children Adam and Eve had--they only mentioned males. Females, unless they were of some great importance, were rarely mentioned and never in the genealogy (except Ruth). The line of descent was from the first born male. The only reason Able was mentioned was because he was next in line and Seth then became the next successor as Cain lost his inheritance as the firstborn after being expelled for killing Able. Adam and Eve would have had several females before Cain. They married their sisters back then as there were no genetic defects to pass along, the prohibition against close family members marrying came much later after the flood. Abraham was married to his 1/2 sister, Sarah.
    The bible states Cain knew his wife---not when he first married her. There is no mention of Able having had a wife or not, nor of any children nor how old they were when Cain killed Able. Both Cain and Able could have had many, ,many children and grandchildren, and great grand children. Today, one woman can have over 20 children and I knew one woman who had 22. That is only during about a 40 year childbearing lifespan. These people lived for hundreds of years. You're talking one woman giving birth to several hundred children, basically a whole town and their children giving birth---Even today, women have had children even less than one year apart (my husband has a brother 9 mths younger) They were in perfect health, at a child a year--not counting twins or more, by the time Adam and Eve died they would have been scalp high in descendants. There were lots of other people by the time Cain was expelled for killing Able.
     
  20. joshua 1 9

    joshua 1 9 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What chapter and verse are you referring to?
     
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