War

[W2L]

I was referring to what Paul said. He was not talking about the government when he was speaking to how the believers should act. For that matter, Paul didn't condemn war anyway.

Paul taught us by example. He never needed a military because his prayers protected him. He was delivered many times from the enemy. Why should we not follow him? Same way with the Lord, he bore our cross, and instructs us to do likewise.

You might think im talking about anarchy, but im not. You may think im anti military, but im not. Im against war, and think the church should be praying, not promoting the death of our enemies, but praying for their repentance.

My faith allows me to see the military as Gods tool. My job is to pray, not fight wars. God will fight for us.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, that's an excellent example and a good movie... But, all cannot be unarmed medics like him or they would all be slaughtered... Some have to fire at or fight back physically, and have little to no choice in the matter...

As you said,
as Foxes Book of Martyrs further proves,
and provides,
as "The Hiding Place"/ Corrie ten Boom does;

"excellent examples " of those who are trusting GOD, and those who are not trusting GOD.

 

[W2L]

"If" separates those who trust and those who don't trust. As God's WORD is sharper than any two-edged sword, separating and exposing the thoughts and the motives of the hearts.

Thanks for the opinion brother.

 

[Neogaia777]

I know, but this topic is important, and worthy of our attention.

If they were on your doorstep and about to kill and murder you and your family, (and it would probably be you first, and then doing a few heinous, unspeakable acts to your wife and possibly your children as well, before killing them) would you try to kill them first...?

God Bless!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Thanks for the opinion brother.

Look around. Opinions won't change anyone's mind nor their heart.
Shalom in Christ, brother, as we
Stand fast in the liberty in which CHRIST has set us free from being violent. Yes,
we overcome not by "trusting chariots and horses", but our trust is in the Name of the Lord our God. Him only shall we trust.

 

[football5680]

If the war is for a righteous cause, then it can be supported. We can pray but we must also be willing to act as well. God could have subdued the Canaanites with his own power but he chose to do so through the righteous Israelites. If we can stop evil people from killing the innocent, why wouldn't we act? We can pray for our enemies but if they do not repent and turn away from evil, then their blood is upon their own heads. If God has given us the right and duty to resist evil, why would we test him when we are capable of acting ourselves?

 

[Neogaia777]

If they were on your doorstep and about to kill and murder you and your family, (and it would probably be you first, and then doing a few heinous, unspeakable acts to your wife and possibly your children as well, before killing them) would you try to kill them first...?

God Bless!

If we just sit back and do nothing now, or if none of the other nations do anything to the terrorists either, then that is what would eventually happen...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If they were on your doorstep and about to kill and murder you and your family, (and it would probably be you first, and then doing a few heinous, unspeakable acts to your wife and possibly your children as well, before killing them) would you try to kill them first...?

God Bless!

Already addressed in Foxes Book of Martyrs,
and "The Hiding Place".

The followers of JESUS died together, instead of seeking to take another person's life.

 

[Neogaia777]

If the war is for a righteous cause, then it can be supported. We can pray but we must also be willing to act as well. God could have subdued the Canaanites with his own power but he chose to do so through the righteous Israelites. If we can stop evil people from killing the innocent, why wouldn't we act? We can pray for our enemies but if they do not repent and turn away from evil, then their blood is upon their own heads. If God has given us the right and duty to resist evil, why would we test him when we are capable of acting ourselves?

Yes, God does want, an usually wants to through us, do away with evil in the world... It would be a greater sin to not act, in certain cases, I believe like the ones we face today with terrorism...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If we just sit back and do nothing now, or if none of the other nations do anything to the terrorists either, then that is what would eventually happen...

Work on the ARK ?

What happened to NOAH and his family ?

Who was wiped out ?

What happened to LOT and his family ?

Who was wiped out ?

What happened to millions of Jews and Christians in the last 117 years ?

The Jews and Christians were slaughtered.

 

[Neogaia777]

Already addressed in Foxes Book of Martyrs,
and "The Hiding Place".

The followers of JESUS died together, instead of seeking to take another person's life.

Well, I will not stand idly by while the brutally rape or torture my wife and children, possibly in front of me, or me in front of them, before then doing it also to my family, when I possibly could have done something to prevent it... That is what would be wrong and evil of me, in my opinion...

God Bless!

 

[Albion]

Paul taught us by example. He never needed a military because his prayers protected him. He was delivered many times from the enemy. Why should we not follow him?

Turn the cheek, my friend. As for war, that's a different matter.

You might think im talking about anarchy, but im not.

I wasn't.

You may think im anti military, but im not.

I didn't.

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, I will not stand idly by while the brutally rape or torture my wife and children, possibly in front of me, or me in front of them, before then doing it also to my family, when I possibly could have done something to prevent it... That is what would be wrong and evil of me, in my opinion...

God Bless!

Remember sin, you can sin through your actions, as we all well know, but you can sin through your "in-actions" as well... Not acting when you should have...

God Bless!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well, I will not stand idly by while the brutally rape or torture my wife and children, possibly in front of me, or me in front of them, before then doing it also to my family, when I possibly could have done something to prevent it... That is what would be wrong and evil of me, in my opinion...

God Bless!

You completely departed from the thread purpose and changed the topic here with this faulty analagy.

When the Christians and others were slaughtered, the might have fled, but they did not resist.

Meanwhile, you have admitted, apparently, to approving of the slaughter and immoral actions done and caused by both sides in the war.... (the usa is guilty of a lot of atrocities and drug trade also - it is not a Christian military in action or deed; the wars have not ever been to protect someone nor to help a people, nor to defend your life or your livelihood; rather to take it away, as it is doing every day) ...

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

Would you agree that prayer is the answer, and not dropping bombs?

Certainly.

 

[Neogaia777]

You completely departed from the thread purpose and changed the topic here with this faulty analagy.

When the Christians and others were slaughtered, the might have fled, but they did not resist.

Meanwhile, you have admitted, apparently, to approving of the slaughter and immoral actions done and caused by both sides in the war.... (the usa is guilty of a lot of atrocities and drug trade also - it is not a Christian military in action or deed; the wars have not ever been to protect someone nor to help a people, nor to defend your life or your livelihood; rather to take it away, as it is doing every day) ...

It doesn't matter, God will make the most "moral" side in his view to prevail anyway, regardless of anything else, including belief systems... Yet, it is usually the lesser of two evil's...

I am not approving either, I'm just saying that sometimes, it is necessary, and it is done to protect one side or the other in "some" cases, yet certainly not all...

Would you say America did the right thing by getting involved in WWII when it and doing what it did in that war, including dropping "the bomb"...?

 

[Albion]

You completely departed from the thread purpose and changed the topic here with this faulty analagy.

When the Christians and others were slaughtered, the might have fled, but they did not resist.

The thread's alleged purpose was to question whether it's right for Christians to approve of war. And the NT was cited in order to try to say it's not appropriate.

BUT those comparisons are faulty because war is conducted by entities, nations...not individual persons.

Individuals may refuse killing but that's a personal moral decision. Wars are conducted by governments, often to prevent other people from killing their neighbors. War can be either unjust or just.

 

[W2L]

If they were on your doorstep and about to kill and murder you and your family, (and it would probably be you first, and then doing a few heinous, unspeakable acts to your wife and possibly your children as well, before killing them) would you try to kill them first...?

God Bless!

I would. However, there is a difference between a psychotic killer, and a war. How many civilians have we killed in the past? Perhaps there is a better way. Prayer. Im sorry, i just cannot reconcile dropping bombs with the Gospel.

 

[W2L]

If the war is for a righteous cause, then it can be supported. We can pray but we must also be willing to act as well. God could have subdued the Canaanites with his own power but he chose to do so through the righteous Israelites. If we can stop evil people from killing the innocent, why wouldn't we act? We can pray for our enemies but if they do not repent and turn away from evil, then their blood is upon their own heads. If God has given us the right and duty to resist evil, why would we test him when we are capable of acting ourselves?

Why then did Paul say our weapons of warfare are not carnal? and our fight isnt carnal either?

 

[Albion]

I would. However, there is a difference between a psychotic killer, and a war. How many civilians have we killed in the past? Perhaps there is a better way. Prayer. Im sorry, i just cannot reconcile dropping bombs with the Gospel.

Then that is your own personal commitment and we understand that it is. Other people see things differently.