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[AV1611VET]

Hmm well the scientific method is observation and experimentation so by that definition alone evolution is not science its a religion. Millions and millions of years ago in the ocean= long ago and far away which is the beginning of a fairy tale

Indeed!

They'll even go as far as to replace IN THE BEGINNING with ONCE UPON A TIME.

 

[pitabread]

Hmm well the scientific method is observation and experimentation so by that definition alone evolution is not science its a religion. Millions and millions of years ago in the ocean= long ago and far away which is the beginning of a fairy tale

Maybe you should take the course mentioned in the opening post?

Then you can learn about how evolutionary biology is, in fact, a real science.

 

[pitabread]

Ive never seen one reference in a textbook ever on them being hoaxes. So no they are not talked about.

Why would they need to be in textbooks? Again, you're talking about irrelevant finds from ~100 years ago. They're not relevant to modern biology.

And for the record, only Piltdown Man was a deliberate hoax and there have been a few books written about it (personally I recommend Unraveling Piltdown by John Walsh; great read on the subject). So yes, it is talked about.

 

[bhsmte]

Hmm well the scientific method is observation and experimentation so by that definition alone evolution is not science its a religion. Millions and millions of years ago in the ocean= long ago and far away which is the beginning of a fairy tale

LOL

 

[Jimmy D]

Has the course arrived at an absolute conclusion for the Cambrian Explosion yet?

What are you talking about?

 

[Favourofone]

God is a God of boundaries

A stone wall around a certain tree would have been a nice start for boundaries.....

 

[AV1611VET]

A stone wall around a certain tree would have been a nice start for boundaries.....

It would have eventually been scaled.

 

[Favourofone]

It would have eventually been scaled.

For sure. Still , Man was created with curious nature, no wisdom since they didn’t have any experience so they were basically children and put next to a tree and told not to eat from it but everything else was ok.

It really doesn’t take Godly imagination to figure what will happen next.

In a similiar situation would you really blame your kid for that and banish him and let him know death ?

Seems tad harsh....

 

[AV1611VET]

In a similiar situation would you really blame your kid for that and banish him and let him know death?

Adam was no "kid."

Adam walked & talked with God, had a job, named the animals, got married and was planning to have children.

 

[Favourofone]

Adam was no "kid."

Right, what adversity did Adam face on paradise ? What mistakes he had opportunity to make to learn any better ?

What lessons of obedience and disobedience did he have time to process before he was cast out for making a mistake that was obviously going to happen ?

He may not have been physically child but in other ways what else could he have been ?

Before going for he was responsible adult , smart and fully aware of everything - the guy believed a talking snake’s word against God. Doesn’t sound very thoughtful adult behavior even if he had been naming animals.

 

[AV1611VET]

What lessons of obedience and disobedience did he have time to process before he was cast out for making a mistake that was obviously going to happen ?

Mistake!?

Adam made a mistake!?

David said it best:

Psalm 119:110 The wicked have laid a snare for me: yet I erred not from thy precepts.

The fact that God held Adam accountable for what he did says it all.

Who am I to argue otherwise?

 

[Freedom~Sprite]

What are you talking about?

Take a moment if you will and look up, Cambrian Explosion.
It is something inexplicable to this day in the field of Evolutionary theory. It vexed Darwin to his dying day.

 

[Favourofone]

David said it best:

Psalm 119:110 The wicked have laid a snare for me: yet I erred not from thy precepts.

It sounds like David had bit more idea of what happens in the world than someone created adult, living in paradise and whose hardest challenge ever was to name animals...

 

[Jimmy D]

Take a moment if you will and look up, Cambrian Explosion.
It is something inexplicable to this day in the field of Evolutionary theory. It vexed Darwin to his dying day.

I’m familiar with the Cambrian Explosion, I was curious as to what you believe is so vexing?

 

[AV1611VET]

It sounds like David had bit more idea of what happens in the world than someone created adult, living in paradise and whose hardest challenge ever was to name animals...

You think what you want.

If you want to dumb Adam down and make him look like some innocent child who didn't know anything, welcome to the world of science, which says the same thing about the Jews, calling them "ignorant, Bronze Age, desert dwelling nomads."

You might make brownie points with academicians with that mindset, but we know better.

I don't know if you're an evolutionist or not, but if you are, I'm sure you consider yourself a "wise man" (Homo sapiens) and will endeavor to make everyone that doesn't think like you some "hoam skolled ignit."

 

[Speedwell]

You think what you want.

If you want to dumb Adam down and make him look like some innocent child who didn't know anything, welcome to the world of science, which says the same thing about the Jews, calling them "ignorant, Bronze Age, desert dwelling nomads."

If they supposed Genesis to be 100% accurate literal history then that's what they were.
Otherwise, they were just as smart as we are, they just didn't happen to know anything about science yet.

 

[AV1611VET]

If they supposed Genesis to be 100% accurate literal history then that's what they were.
Otherwise, they were just as smart as we are, they just didn't happen to know anything about science yet.

QV please:

I'm fond of saying that if Eve were alive today, she could very well be teaching advanced quantum physics in our best universities. I'd guess that Adam and Eve had IQ's well into the 200 range.

 

[Speedwell]

QV please:

You can "guess" whatever you like, but it has nothing to do with the theological lessons to be found in the Garden story.

 

[Freedom~Sprite]

I’m familiar with the Cambrian Explosion, I was curious as to what you believe is so vexing?

It doesn't appear you do. Or you wouldn't ask what vexed Darwin about it to the day he died. The CE explains itself. Evolution is hogwash. The CE just makes it more noticeable.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can "guess" whatever you like, but it has nothing to do with the theological lessons to be found in the Garden story.

Just as smart as we are, huh?

Were they just as healthy as we are too?

Did it occur to you that their brains were perfect?

Not products of "mutant, copy-erring"?

If some of us have photographic memories, they probably had holographic memories.

But I recognize your desire to dumb everyone in the Bible down.