Video: Randomness vs Evolution

[AV1611VET]

Once again I will point out that the process is no different between micro and macro evolution. If you accept that micro evolution happens, then you can't deny macro evolution. Once again, the processes are the same.

No, they aren't.

The alleged emergence of genera throws a monkey wrench into the works.

No [new] genus has ever appeared on the Earth since Genesis 1, unless God did it.

 

[Kylie]

No, they aren't.

The alleged emergence of genera throws a monkey wrench into the works.

No [new] genus has ever appeared on the Earth since Genesis 1, unless God did it.

Would you care to tell me what process happens in macroevolution that does not happen in microevolution?

 

[pitabread]

The alleged emergence of genera throws a monkey wrench into the works.

A genus is just an arbitrary human classification. They have no biology reality otherwise.

This is where a lot of creationists seem to get hung up over taxonomy and forget that it's completely artificial. Even assigning species names is artificial.

 

[AV1611VET]

Would you care to tell me what process happens in macroevolution that does not happen in microevolution?

Deep time.

And God is a god of boundaries, and He has set a boundary that evolution cannot pass.

If it does, the "culprit" is sterile or doesn't live long or whatever.

 

[AV1611VET]

A genus is just an arbitrary human classification.

"Genus" is Satan's cheap imitation for "kind".

 

[pitabread]

"Genus" is Satan's cheap imitation for "kind".

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What a random response. You are definitely master of the non-sequitur.

 

[AV1611VET]

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What a random response. You are definitely master of the non-sequitur.

I'm sure you're familiar with my list of his Arab phones:

miracle vs magic
child in the womb vs fetus
kind vs genus
etc.

If that's a random response, I'm Genghis Khan.

 

[pitabread]

If that's a random response, I'm Genghis Khan.

It's random because it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of conversation which was the suggestion biological barriers in nature.

"Genus/kind/etc" are not biological realities in nature. That's it. If you have something substantive to respond to that, then by all means.

If you're going to respond with bumper stick-esque one liners, then we're done.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's random because it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of conversation which was the suggestion biological barriers in nature.

Either that, or it explains where those barriers are found.

To wit, at the lowest end of the genus pool.

In other words, a coyote's* barrier stops with the domestic dog.**

Try cross-kinding a giraffe with an armadillo and see if there's a barrier.

* I don't know which is higher on the chain, a coyote or a wolf, but hopefully you get my point.

** I don't know which is lower on the chain, a domestic dog or a dingo, but hopefully you get my point.

 

[pitabread]

In other words, a coyote's* barrier stops with the domestic dog.**

Okay, let's explore this: biologically-speaking, what is the actual barrier in this instance?

Try cross-kinding a giraffe with an armadillo and see if there's a barrier.

What this is effectively talking about is barriers between gene pools via non-viable reproduction. But we already know that that can occur in nature (e.g. speciation).

Are you suggesting speciation is a barrier to evolution? Because we can actively see it occur in nature. Speciation is not a barrier for evolution.

* I don't know which is higher on the chain, a coyote or a wolf, but hopefully you get my point.

** I don't know which is lower on the chain, a domestic dog or a dingo, but hopefully you get my point.

What "chain" are you talking about?

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay, let's explore this: biologically-speaking, what is the actual barrier in this instance?

Don't know.

Best answer: "obedience".

God told nature to stop at the domestic dog.

What this is effectively talking about is barriers between gene pools via non-viable reproduction. But we already know that that can occur in nature (e.g. speciation).

Whatever all that meant.

Are you suggesting speciation is a barrier to evolution? Because we can actively see it occur in nature. Speciation is not a barrier for evolution.

It has to stop at some species, doesn't it?

What "chain" are you talking about?

Well I even googled it, and it's over my head -- which I expected.

But it looks like it goes like this:

wolf → coyote → jackal → domestic dog

That's the best I can come up with traipsing around in academia.

So that means that only the wolf kind had to board the Ark.

Then after the Flood, they sired coyotes, who later sired jackals, who later sired domestic dogs.

 

[Kylie]

Deep time.

And God is a god of boundaries, and He has set a boundary that evolution cannot pass.

If it does, the "culprit" is sterile or doesn't live long or whatever.

But you can't show that deep time, as you call it, doesn't exist...

 

[Kylie]

"Genus" is Satan's cheap imitation for "kind".

Now, now, AV, you can't say something is Satanic just because you don't like it.

 

[AV1611VET]

But you can't show that deep time, as you call it, doesn't exist...

Of course not ... since it doesn't exist.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now, now, AV, you can't say something is Satanic just because you don't like it.

Is that why?

 

[Kylie]

Of course not ... since it doesn't exist.

So? If there is no deep time, then we live in a young universe, and you should be able to show us things that only exist in a young universe.

 

[Kylie]

Is that why?

Well, you disagree with it, doncha? But you have no evidence to show that it's satanic.

 

[AV1611VET]

So? If there is no deep time, then we live in a young universe, and you should be able to show us things that only exist in a young universe.

Let's start with you.

By comparison, you're young.

We've got a couple of trees we planted that are young.

 

[Kylie]

Let's start with you.

By comparison, you're young.

We've got a couple of trees we planted that are young.

Please demonstrate how Kylie is only possible in a young universe, not an old one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Please demonstrate how Kylie is only possible in a young universe, not an old one.

Oh, sorry ... I misunderstood you.

I would assume you're more than welcome to exist in a universe that grew old ... assuming one existed.