Video: Randomness vs Evolution

[Speedwell]

why not? it can reject predators or something.

Or something. But even the simplest creature can be effected by sound waves, even though it can't make sounds itself. So what trick do you think you have up your sleeve by insisting that making sound must come before detecting sound?

 

[xianghua]

Or something. But even the simplest creature can be effected by sound waves, even though it can't make sounds itself. So what trick do you think you have up your sleeve by insisting that making sound must come before detecting sound?

eventually you will need to made sound. so lets focus with the sound system. how many parts you will need to such a system?

 

[Speedwell]

eventually you will need to made sound. so lets focus with the sound system. how many parts you will need to such a system?

It depends on how many "parts" capable of making a sound exist already. In theory, that would be any part of a creature's body which could be made to vibrate.

 

[xianghua]

It depends on how many "parts" capable of making a sound exist already. In theory, that would be any part of a creature's body which could be made to vibrate.

so what will be your first step?

 

[pitabread]

eventually you will need to made sound. so lets focus with the sound system. how many parts you will need to such a system?

And the goal posts are a shiftin'!

 

[Speedwell]

so what will be your first step?

An entity capable of detecting sound waves. I told you that already, but for some reason you want it to be able to produce sound waves before it is able to detect them, which makes no sense to me. I'm also not sure what you mean by "parts" or why you are so preoccupied with the notion.

 

[xianghua]

An entity capable of detecting sound waves. I told you that already, but for some reason you want it to be able to produce sound waves before it is able to detect them, which makes no sense to me. I'm also not sure what you mean by "parts" or why you are so preoccupied with the notion.

are you talking about hearing?

 

[Speedwell]

And the goal posts are a shiftin'!

No, I'm afraid they're not. The goal is still to maneuver, with cleverness and great subtlety (as well as the strategic use of robot penguins) one of us into admitting that the function of a complex system requires the parallel evolution of related "parts" and we ***KNOW*** that can't happen.

 

[Speedwell]

are you talking about hearing?

No. Hearing is an advanced development of the ability to detect sound waves.

 

[Ophiolite]

No. Hearing is an advanced development of the ability to detect sound waves.

I don't think he's listening.

 

[xianghua]

No. Hearing is an advanced development of the ability to detect sound waves.

so how many parts we need to evolve the abillity to detect sound waves?

 

[Speedwell]

so how many parts we need to evolve the abillity to detect sound waves?

I still don't get what you mean by "parts." Are you still on that kick about how systems of more than one "part" can't evolve?

 

[xianghua]

I still don't get what you mean by "parts." Are you still on that kick about how systems of more than one "part" can't evolve?

parts can be proteins or proteins domains.

 

[Speedwell]

parts can be proteins or proteins domains.

Then I can't really contribute much. I don't really know much at all about the relationship between genotype, protein formation and phenotype. I thought you were talking about "parts" in terms of morphology. I can see now why that didn't make much sense to me.

 

[xianghua]

Then I can't really contribute much. I don't really know much at all about the relationship between genotype, protein formation and phenotype. I thought you were talking about "parts" in terms of morphology. I can see now why that didn't make much sense to me.

it can be at the morphological level too. depend on the system.